Do you trust Veach/Reid to draft WR or DE?

[emaw1979]

Everyone is pretty excited and rightfully so to have 6 top 100 draft picks in this incredibly deep draft. Two of our biggest needs are DE and WR and two of the deepest position groups in the draft. This couldn't be more perfect, right?

I'm starting to get a little nervous because this draft may be the difference between setting the franchise up for years of continued success or the end of a mini-dynasty. Given this team's draft history of DE and WR under Reid, I am a little worried. I fully trust them at drafting G/C positions and CBs anywhere in the draft. Their record with QB is pretty dang good as well. It's just CB and pass rush that I'm concerned about with them.


Reid/Dorsey

2013 DE Mike Catapano 7th...throw away pick. 2 Career sacks.
2014 DE Dee Ford. 1st round pick. Played more than 6 games twice in his 8 year career. Had 1 pro bowl season in 2018. Is he considered a bust?
2015 WR Chris Conley 3rd round. Was drafted more on potential. Best season so far for him was in Jacksonville 47/775/5.
2016 WR DeMarcus Robinson 4th...Mr Backwards. Role Player at best.
2016 WR Tyreek Hill 5th. Accidently ran into greatness. Was drafted as KR and the plan was to use him primarily as an RB.
2016 DE Dadi Nicolas 6th...
2017 DE Tanoh Kpass 2nd...bust. I'd have liked to see him with Spags his entire career though instead of the previous cluster ****.
2017 WR Jehu Chesson 4th...

Reid/Veach

2018 DE Beeland Speaks 2nd (traded up for this loser) BUST
2018 WR/CB/KR Tremon Smith 6th...I don't remember if he was CB then they moved him to WR or vice versa.
2019 WR Mecole Hardman 2nd BUST. The guy has all the speed and talent to be a very good WR but skips out on working out with Mahomes in the off-season and never seems to be on the same page as Mahomes.
2020 DE Michael Danna 5th. He plays because they have garbage at DE. Not a starter level but role type player, which is fine for a 5th rounder.
2021 DE Joshua Kaindoh 4th. Can a 4th rounder be a bust? MIA
2021 WR Cornell Powell 5th. Can a 5th rounder be a bust? MIA

Obviously, Reid did draft some good players at those positions in Philly.
DE Derrick Burgess
DE Trent Cole
WR Desean Jackson
WR Jeremy Macklin
WR Jason Avant

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefforlife

Yes and No, Probably shouldnt have taken a 1st rounder BUT had they taken any other top RB, Taylor, Swift, Dobbins (2nd rounders) or even Antonio Gibson (3rd rounder) we would be much happier with the pick.

So I think both sides of this discussion have merit.

Take one in the 2nd, still not ideal, but whatever. That's where good Rb's go.

Just don't do it in the first.

[The Franchise]

This thread is ****ing stupid.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by emaw1979

Your 2nd rounders should be starters at least. Not gimmick jet sweep role players.

This simply isn't supported by the weight of the evidence. At all.

About 1/2 of the picks taken in the 2nd round in any given year will become starters by their 3rd NFL season.

Guys taken ahead of Hardman who have been less productive than him:

Clellin Ferrell
TJ Hockenson
Devin Bush
Jonah Williams
Rashan Gary (though he's finally coming along)
Dwayne Haskins....uh
Noah Fant
Andre Dillard
Jonathan Abram
Jerry Tillery
LJ Collier
Deandre Baker
N'Keal Harry
Rock Ya-Sin
Greg Little
Cody Ford
Trayvon Mullen
Drew Lock
Jahlani Tavai
Joejuan Williams
Greedy Williams
Marquise Blair
Ben Banogu
Irv Smith
Drew Sample
Lonnie Johnson

That's 26 guys; about half the picks ahead of him. And frankly I'm leaving out another half-dozen close questions because I just don't feel like arguing about it.

This idea that 2nd rounders are just going to become starters is simply asinine. There are 7 guys taken in the 2nd round that year who were essentially 'day 1' starters.

Your position w/r/t Veach's ability to draft doesn't mean anything because you lack the proper perspective to meaningfully evaluate his performance.

[The Franchise]

I love the argument that Brown, Metcalf or McLaurin would have been just complete studs in this offense from day 1.

Hill and Kelce were getting their targets. Now maybe Metcalf, Brown or McLaurin eliminate the need for Watkins coming in but that's not a guarantee either.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This simply isn't supported by the weight of the evidence. At all.

About 1/2 of the picks taken in the 2nd round in any given year will become starters by their 3rd NFL season.

Guys taken ahead of Hardman who have been less productive than him:

Clellin Ferrell
TJ Hockenson
Devin Bush
Jonah Williams
Rashan Gary (though he's finally coming along)
Dwayne Haskins....uh
Noah Fant
Andre Dillard
Jonathan Abram
Jerry Tillery
LJ Collier
Deandre Baker
N'Keal Harry
Rock Ya-Sin
Greg Little
Cody Ford
Trayvon Mullen
Drew Lock
Jahlani Tavai
Joejuan Williams
Greedy Williams
Marquise Blair
Ben Banogu
Irv Smith
Drew Sample
Lonnie Johnson

That's 26 guys; about half the picks ahead of him. And frankly I'm leaving out another half-dozen close questions because I just don't feel like arguing about it.

This idea that 2nd rounders are just going to become starters is simply asinine. There are 7 guys taken in the 2nd round that year who were essentially 'day 1' starters.

Your position w/r/t Veach's ability to draft doesn't mean anything because you lack the proper perspective to meaningfully evaluate his performance.

Doesn't this somewhat blow apart the "sit tight and make all our picks" thought process though? If they feel a guy is worth it, trade up?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Doesn't this somewhat blow apart the "sit tight and make all our picks" thought process though? If they feel a guy is worth it, trade up?

No.

Because about 1/2 those guys are 1st round picks.

They're slightly less likely to bust, but not by orders of magnitude.

So keep your picks, get an EXTRA guy and let the law of large numbers work to your advantage.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I love the argument that Brown, Metcalf or McLaurin would have been just complete studs in this offense from day 1.

Hill and Kelce were getting their targets. Now maybe Metcalf, Brown or McLaurin eliminate the need for Watkins coming in but that's not a guarantee either.

McLaurin would've been.

That's a rough miss.

But again, the whole damn argument ignores the fact that it REALLY looked like Tyreek Hill was on his way out of the league when that pick was made. And the whole offense had been built around his deep speed.

It's just lazy.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No.

Because about 1/2 those guys are 1st round picks.

They're slightly less likely to bust, but not by orders of magnitude.

So keep your picks, get an EXTRA guy and let the law of large numbers work to your advantage.

True.

In general, I think we need to realize that most of these guys were about to draft just aren't gonna turn into Tyreek Hills and Travis Kelce's.

It's ok if they are....say....Mecole Hardman. That's fine.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

McLaurin would've been.

That's a rough miss.

But again, the whole damn argument ignores the fact that it REALLY looked like Tyreek Hill was on his way out of the league when that pick was made. And the whole offense had been built around his deep speed.

It's just lazy.

McLaurin, we can agree on.

I'm sure Reid would have loved Metcalf's amazing route running ability though. /s

[O.city]

Well, McLaurin will be a Chief here soon enough so don't worrk about it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

McLaurin, we can agree on.

I'm sure Reid would have loved Metcalf's amazing route running ability though. /s

But/for the Hill situation I'm betting we draft McLaurin. It just made too much sense.

Shit happens sometimes.

[In58men]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, McLaurin will be a Chief here soon enough so don't worrk about it.

Man, I have this same feeling too.

Something tells me we’re going to trade for him.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by In58men

Man, I have this same feeling too.

Something tells me we’re going to trade for him.

If I'm a WR I just am not signing an extension right now. I'm going to the market.

Because Godwin got hurt and STILL got paid.

So unless I'm getting top 5 WR money, I'm playing out my contract and getting to FA. The market is just way too hot for them right now.

And I'm not giving up draft capital for someone I'm just gonna have to trade again in a year. Especially not when I still don't have Brown's LTC done so I need to ensure that I have my franchise tag free next season.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

McLaurin, we can agree on.

I'm sure Reid would have loved Metcalf's amazing route running ability though. /s

The idea that Metcalf came into the NFL not being able to run routes was always stupid. Was he stiff and somewhat limited in route tree? Sure.

But he ran 4 routes at an elite level coming in.

Ruggs, who was the 1st WR off the board in his year ran one great route.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

The idea that Metcalf came into the NFL not being able to run routes was always stupid. Was he stiff and somewhat limited in route tree? Sure.

But he ran 4 routes at an elite level coming in.

Ruggs, who was the 1st WR off the board in his year ran one great route.

Metcalf was not a West Coast WR coming out of the draft.

And who the **** is talking about Ruggs?