2023 Cap Discussion

[Dante84]

If we were to absolutely max out all restructures, we would have almost $119M in cap space according to Over The Cap.

Effective Cap Space: $8,449,166

Simple Restructure: $67,070,657
Possible Cap Space: $75,519,823

Maximum Restructure: $110,459,052
Possible Cap Space: $118,908,218

According to @Jason_OTC, the #Chiefs could have $118,908,218 in cap space in 2023, with maximum restructures.

That would be the fourth-most cap space if every team maximized their restructures. #InVeachWeTrust pic.twitter.com/0ezsiCNhFc

— Jacob Milham (@JMilTheHam) November 3, 2022

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Fix tackle situation. Sign best edge rusher available to pair with Jones. Profit.

I think you can only fix the tackle situation by drafting it.

Contracts are coming for Tre and Creed. We're already paying Thuney and can't get out of it for a couple more years, and the team probably wants to pay Orlando Brown a ton.

You can't pay all five positions, while also paying Mahomes, and field a competitive team everywhere else. That's what Darian Kinnard was an attempt at, but Kinnard's probably an interior lineman.

The great news is that we have 11 draft picks, and we have cap space to do anything we want going forward, but ultimately the bill comes due.

They're going to have to fix RT in the draft or keep riding maybe-guys like Lucas Niang.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by -King-

Once again, because overthecap is including the balloon year.

Let's simply this. Not including a balloon year, how much do you think Juju should get.

What he's saying is that ALL contracts (pretty much) have balloon years at the end.

Therefore it doesn't matter if you look at actual AAV or include the ballon years instead. Because it's not about absolute dollar value, it's about cost relative to other players at his position.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Are you naive enough to think Tyreek’s contract is the only contract built that way? You realize the vast majority of contracts are right? Well unless you’re Brown Jr and object to it.

Here’s his APY per over the cap.

APY is irrelevant.

'Practical Guarantees' are all that's really important. Hill's practical guarantees are $72 million over the next 3 seasons. And it's extremely likely he ends up at $95 million over 4, though not a given.

If it's your position that a JJSS or OBJ contract would be similarly inflated at the back end so we should adjust our expectations accordingly - okay; doesn't bother me much.

It just doesn't seem to be a conversation worth having unless/until terms are agreed upon and we start to see what they truly are.

Until then, I think most people speak to contracts in terms of their practical guarantees rather than their overall APY.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

I wish it was a better FA class. But if nothing else it will help us retain everybody we want to.

The bills on the other hand are sitting at 3.6m over the cap next year, and only 40m projected in 2024

The Bills and Chargers can get creative, but the bill is coming due.

At best, they may be able to do what we did this season and keep treading water.

Unless they crush their drafts, they simply can't improve much. They're going to take steps back.

The Chiefs are not only the best team heading into the offseason, but they have the most resources of the great teams to do anything they want.

It's a fantastic position to be in.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Juju is not worth that kind of scratch. No.

This is a projection on my part but I think at the beginning of the season he wasn’t on the same page but now he is. He’s currently on pace for 1,200 yards.

I think that’s going up. Wouldn’t surprise me if he gets around 1,500 yards by seasons end.

He’s a very good weapon for us

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Sneed problem is corners get paid, if you throw 20+ per average on a CB we gotta cut cost somewhere else because that is a position the Chiefs have avoided paying.

But with McDuffie, Watson and Williams making ass-wipe money, you can still pay Sneed and have a really cheap DB group.

And Sneed's just awfully difficult to replace. He's an integral part of our coverage schemes.

[Direckshun]

You have to pay Sneed. He's the fulcrum of the Spags system.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But with McDuffie, Watson and Williams making ass-wipe money, you can still pay Sneed and have a really cheap DB group.

And Sneed's just awfully difficult to replace. He's an integral part of our coverage schemes.

One really simple way to do it is to find DL that are on draft pick contracts, losing Clark will help a ton.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

You have to pay Sneed. He's the fulcrum of the Spags system.

Yeah - while Reid technically 'replaced' Mathieu, it's been Sneed that's taken on much of the swiss-army knife responsibilities that Mathieu had.

Reid is playing a much more conventional strong safety sort of role from what I can see.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

What he's saying is that ALL contracts (pretty much) have balloon years at the end.

Therefore it doesn't matter if you look at actual AAV or include the ballon years instead. Because it's not about absolute dollar value, it's about cost relative to other players at his position.

But in reality a player can have a extremely high AAV and not even get close to that. It's like when Taysom Hill signed that 4 year 140mil contract and people acted like his $35M AAV was real. Teams/players can make the AAV whatever they want. So why even talk about that and pretend it's real? Let's talk about the real numbers.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

One really simple way to do it is to find DL that are on draft pick contracts, losing Clark will help a ton.

-- Signed, the 2022 NFL Off-season.

Ugh...still irritated.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by -King-

But in reality a player can have a extremely high AAV and not even get close to that. It's like when Taysom Hill signed that 4 year 140mil contract and people acted like his $35M AAV was real. Teams/players can make the AAV whatever they want. So why even talk about that and pretend it's real? Let's talk about the real numbers.

Because regardless of whether you're talking about AAV or real numbers, it's still relative to the rest of the players at the position. If you're wanting to talk solely about one guy's contract, sure - go with real numbers, guarantees, not AAV.

But when you're talking about 2 or more players, it's a simple ratio whether you take out the balloon years or not. The only time it would be relevant is if one guy had a balloon year and the other guy doesn't.

Like comparing Josh Allen's contract to Kirk Cousins'.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, it's hard.

But Sam Williams and Abraham Lucas were right there for the taking. It can be done.

Sam Williams maybe, but I don't think going in needing a RDE and a LT and expecting that out of one draft is smart.

[htismaqe]

For example, Tyreek has guarantees in the realm of 3 years and $70M dollars.

To get a $20M AAV for Juju, you're probably looking at 3 years and about $40M in guarantees.

Either way, we're talking about between a 1.5 to 1.75:1 ratio. Is Juju worth slightly more than half of what Tyreek is worth? That's the real question.

[O.city]

I like JuJu alot, good player.

I just don't think I'd pay him when theoretically, he's doing alot of what you drafted Sky Moore to do.