2023 Cap Discussion

[Dante84]

If we were to absolutely max out all restructures, we would have almost $119M in cap space according to Over The Cap.

Effective Cap Space: $8,449,166

Simple Restructure: $67,070,657
Possible Cap Space: $75,519,823

Maximum Restructure: $110,459,052
Possible Cap Space: $118,908,218

According to @Jason_OTC, the #Chiefs could have $118,908,218 in cap space in 2023, with maximum restructures.

That would be the fourth-most cap space if every team maximized their restructures. #InVeachWeTrust pic.twitter.com/0ezsiCNhFc

— Jacob Milham (@JMilTheHam) November 3, 2022

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by oldman

Surely you jest.



The football field is 53 1/3 yards wide and 100 (120 if you count the endzones) yards long, so I think Kelce and Juju can stay out of each other's way. We have speed in other guys besides Hardman, who seems to lose his way quite often.

Why wouldn't you take Hardman on the same deal as MVS? Why? He's familiar with the system and is the most dangerous guy on the team with the ball in his hands. He's the 2nd best WR this franchise has drafted since Dwayne Bowe, so let's not act like we can just easily replace him through the draft and we're not gonna get a person with his production and availability (the guy has never missed a game). If we would just let him return kicks and punts then he's even more valuable. He was an all pro returner as a rookie. They know what he is now and it's not a #1 or #2 receiver, so he should be returning kicks.

My question was why would JJSS help Kelce so much and extend his career and your answer is to give me the dimensions of the field? Well ok then.

[Nightfyre]

Christian Kirk may be the most comparable WR to JJSS in terms of what he should expect contract wise - age/position/production. Too bad the Jags chose to nuke the WR market and make it such an unfavorable contract for the team.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The real issue I see with this team moving forward is if you tell yourself you aren't paying Orlando Brown top 5 LT money, that's gonna be a problem cause he won't move on his demand.

If you go into an offseason needing an LT and a DE that is pretty much impossible to pull off picking at the bottom of the round.

Yep.

You have to make a trade for an undervalued player at one of those positions, as the FA pool looks pretty shallow for those spots.

This is why I keep pimping Nijman.

Either way, you need a LT and a DE, and you're not getting both in one draft, barring a miracle.

[Chris Meck]

As for the WR room in '23, I would just about bet that Hardman is gone, and we keep ONE of Juju or MVS. Whichever they decide will be harder to replace. I think it's easier to replace the speedster actually, than the superior route running physical, great hands guy. But I can see the other argument. Cutting MVS frees up like $9m, and that'll be a chunk of what it would take to bring back Juju. In the meantime, Toney is your new Hardman, Moore will get better with more time in the system, and you draft a speedster in the mid rounds to stretch the field.

But that's just my opinion.

[oldman]

That's kind of the way I see it, Chris. A lot of what we do in the off season with the WR room will depend on Toney's acclamation to the team and the production MVS brings. Keeping Juju would help in extending Kelce's career and give PMII another reliable mid to long range weapon. It really doesn't matter if you get a 15 yard route with 25+ YAC or a 35 yard bomb and 5 YAC, it's still 40 yards. The potential for that 15 yarder + is far greater than the occasional 35.

Don't forget letting Hardman walk nets another $4.4M.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by oldman

That's kind of the way I see it, Chris. A lot of what we do in the off season with the WR room will depend on Toney's acclamation to the team and the production MVS brings. Keeping Juju would help in extending Kelce's career and give PMII another reliable mid to long range weapon. It really doesn't matter if you get a 15 yard route with 25+ YAC or a 35 yard bomb and 5 YAC, it's still 40 yards. The potential for that 15 yarder + is far greater than the occasional 35.

Don't forget letting Hardman walk nets another $4.4M.

How does letting Hardman walk net anything? He's a free agent, he doesn't account for anything on the books currently. Letting him walk only nets the opportunity cost of what his contract would be if we kept him, which will be more than $4.4 million a year.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

How does letting Hardman walk net anything? He's a free agent, he doesn't account for anything on the books currently. Letting him walk only nets the opportunity cost of what his contract would be if we kept him, which will be more than $4.4 million a year.

It'll be a lot more than that. Somebody will see him as the missing piece in their offense, a home run hitter (which he IS, under the right circumstances) and back up a truckload of money.

[poolboy]

Idk, I cant see Mecole getting a truckload amount of money from anybody
But it only takes one team...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Yep.

You have to make a trade for an undervalued player at one of those positions, as the FA pool looks pretty shallow for those spots.

This is why I keep pimping Nijman.

Either way, you need a LT and a DE, and you're not getting both in one draft, barring a miracle.

When it's all said and done, I don't think they'll be looking for a LT. I think he's gonna sign. Just a gut feeling though.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by poolboy

Idk, I cant see Mecole getting a truckload amount of money from anybody
But it only takes one team...

that's because you're looking through the lens of a fan who had hopes of what Hardman could be, and are disappointed that didn't happen.

The reality of what Hardman IS is that he's a hell of a weapon with the ball in his hands in space. He's pretty electric. He's just not a #1 or #2 downfield receiver. But screens, jet sweeps, quick slants, man, if you don't get him down immediately, he's off to the races, and nobody can catch him.

He's a weapon. Somebody is going to pay for that.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It'll be a lot more than that. Somebody will see him as the missing piece in their offense, a home run hitter (which he IS, under the right circumstances) and back up a truckload of money.

No one is going to back up the truck for Hardman. Show me any WR that has gotten a truckload of money when they haven't ever went over 700 yds. He's averaged less than 600 yds a season and plays with Mahomes. He would have had to almost hit 1000 yds this season to even get a Christian Kirk type of deal. He's gonna get an MVS type of deal.

MVS has everything you'd want in a WR

4.37 speed
6'4" and 200 lbs

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

No one is going to back up the truck for Hardman. Show me any WR that has gotten a truckload of money when they haven't ever went over 700 yds. He's averaged less than 600 yds a season and plays with Mahomes. He would have had to almost hit 1000 yds this season to even get a Christian Kirk type of deal. He's gonna get an MVS type of deal.

MVS has everything you'd want in a WR

4.37 speed
6'4" and 200 lbs

well, that's $10m a year. I call that hefty sum. I don't think anyone's going to pay him Tyreek money, no.

I don't think I would pay him that, not if you have Toney, who can do a lot of similar things.

I like MVS fine, but we'll probably have to decide on either him or Juju next year; I kind of doubt we can afford both.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Christian Kirk may be the most comparable WR to JJSS in terms of what he should expect contract wise - age/position/production. Too bad the Jags chose to nuke the WR market and make it such an unfavorable contract for the team.

You're high if you think JJSS should only be expecting Christian Kirk money. If things continue like they are, then Juju is going to have a 1400 yd, 1200 yd, 900 yd, and 800 yd season in 6 seasons. He had 2 bad seasons because of injury. Kirk has has one season with anywhere close to 1000 yds.

If Juju wants to he's going to get close to $25 mil/yr.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by poolboy

Idk, I cant see Mecole getting a truckload amount of money from anybody
But it only takes one team...

There will definitely be that one team. Christian Kirk got $72 million, and someone is going to give Mecole something close to that.

Guys with his speed and game breaking ability are rare, and he has the added advantage of being in the spotlight with KC the last 4 years. He's getting paid big somewhere.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

You're high if you think JJSS should only be expecting Christian Kirk money. If things continue like they are, then Juju is going to have a 1400 yd, 1200 yd, 900 yd, and 800 yd season in 6 seasons. He had 2 bad seasons because of injury. Kirk has has one season with anywhere close to 1000 yds.

If Juju wants to he's going to get close to $25 mil/yr.

Yup, I'm not thinking that far ahead but I've already resigned myself to believing Smith is a one year rental, which is fine. You can't go pay him $25 million a year when you wouldn't pay Hill that. It's not happening.

Now if he decides he's about legacy over money and will take a reasonable deal, it's a different story. We will see what matters to him.