Some Quick Things

[DJ's left nut]

I'm doing my standard re-watch thing and really, the broadcast is telling me some of the same things I saw at the stadium.

Brown was fine. Hell, I think Brown was actually pretty good. He got beat by Mario Edwards pretty badly on that overthrow to Kelce and had a hand in one of those sacks, but by and large, he played a strong game. I think Thuney was our best OL (unsurprisingly) but I think OBJ was right there behind him.

Wylie was bad but fellas - Trey Smith was worse.

The combined effect of those two guys has hurt us badly all year. Folks keep wanting to get Wylie out of there and yeah, I get it. But man, Trey Smith is doing nobody any favors and when the right side of the line is just collapsing on any given play, it makes things awfully tough.

I think it's probably time to give Smith a break. If he's healthy, then he's mentally ****ed up and could use a re-set. If he's hurt even coming off a bye week, then he needs some time to rest and get healthy. Allegretti is a competent blocker and right now I have little doubt that he'd be better than Smith is playing.

Wylie, again, isn't an 'on an island' guy - he absolutely has to have credible help to his left. He's not getting it even a little bit and the combined weight of those two guys struggling is snowballing rather than being greater than the sum of their parts.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm doing my standard re-watch thing and really, the broadcast is telling me some of the same things I saw at the stadium.

Brown was fine. Hell, I think Brown was actually pretty good. He got beat by Mario Edwards pretty badly on that overthrow to Kelce and had a hand in one of those sacks, but by and large, he played a strong game. I think Thuney was our best OL (unsurprisingly) but I think OBJ was right there behind him.

Wylie was bad but fellas - Trey Smith was worse.

The combined effect of those two guys has hurt us badly all year. Folks keep wanting to get Wylie out of there and yeah, I get it. But man, Trey Smith is doing nobody any favors and when the right side of the line is just collapsing on any given play, it makes things awfully tough.

I think it's probably time to give Smith a break. If he's healthy, then he's mentally ****ed up and could use a re-set. If he's hurt even coming off a bye week, then he needs some time to rest and get healthy. Allegretti is a competent blocker and right now I have little doubt that he'd be better than Smith is playing.

Wylie, again, isn't an 'on an island' guy - he absolutely has to have credible help to his left. He's not getting it even a little bit and the combined weight of those two guys struggling is snowballing rather than being greater than the sum of their parts.

I was willing to give Smith the benefit of the doubt early in the season that he was maybe playing hurt. I am starting to wonder if maybe last season was an outlier. Hopefully whatever is wrong gets fixed.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm doing my standard re-watch thing and really, the broadcast is telling me some of the same things I saw at the stadium.

Brown was fine. Hell, I think Brown was actually pretty good. He got beat by Mario Edwards pretty badly on that overthrow to Kelce and had a hand in one of those sacks, but by and large, he played a strong game. I think Thuney was our best OL (unsurprisingly) but I think OBJ was right there behind him.

Wylie was bad but fellas - Trey Smith was worse.

The combined effect of those two guys has hurt us badly all year. Folks keep wanting to get Wylie out of there and yeah, I get it. But man, Trey Smith is doing nobody any favors and when the right side of the line is just collapsing on any given play, it makes things awfully tough.

I think it's probably time to give Smith a break. If he's healthy, then he's mentally ****ed up and could use a re-set. If he's hurt even coming off a bye week, then he needs some time to rest and get healthy. Allegretti is a competent blocker and right now I have little doubt that he'd be better than Smith is playing.

Wylie, again, isn't an 'on an island' guy - he absolutely has to have credible help to his left. He's not getting it even a little bit and the combined weight of those two guys struggling is snowballing rather than being greater than the sum of their parts.

That's probably why Wylie looked better last season. Smith was playing much better last season. Now they both stink and teams are learning how to use them against each other.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

That's probably why Wylie looked better last season. Smith was playing much better last season. Now they both stink and teams are learning how to use them against each other.

That's absolutely the case.

The two of them last year formed a solid pair on the right side. And they were very complementary.

Now they're the inverse of it.

It isn't just a Wylie thing. It isn't just a Smith thing. But both of them are making matters worse instead of better.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm doing my standard re-watch thing and really, the broadcast is telling me some of the same things I saw at the stadium.

Brown was fine. Hell, I think Brown was actually pretty good. He got beat by Mario Edwards pretty badly on that overthrow to Kelce and had a hand in one of those sacks, but by and large, he played a strong game. I think Thuney was our best OL (unsurprisingly) but I think OBJ was right there behind him.

Wylie was bad but fellas - Trey Smith was worse.

The combined effect of those two guys has hurt us badly all year. Folks keep wanting to get Wylie out of there and yeah, I get it. But man, Trey Smith is doing nobody any favors and when the right side of the line is just collapsing on any given play, it makes things awfully tough.

I think it's probably time to give Smith a break. If he's healthy, then he's mentally ****ed up and could use a re-set. If he's hurt even coming off a bye week, then he needs some time to rest and get healthy. Allegretti is a competent blocker and right now I have little doubt that he'd be better than Smith is playing.

Wylie, again, isn't an 'on an island' guy - he absolutely has to have credible help to his left. He's not getting it even a little bit and the combined weight of those two guys struggling is snowballing rather than being greater than the sum of their parts.

Dunno how many of you read Seth Keysor's stuff on Substack, but he did a breakdown of the running game last week.

And man, Trey Smith got ****ing wrecked.

It seemed that way from the stadium. It sure seemed that way from the couch a day or two later, and a breakdown of the film pretty much closed the book on it.

Trey Smith has been a MAJOR problem this year. As bad as Wylie and far more damaging than Orlando Brown. If there were no long-term developmental problems arising from it and I could swap out one guy on this OL for an above average stand-in, it would be Smith. He's done more damage to this team than Wylie has.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Dunno how many of you read Seth Keysor's stuff on Substack, but he did a breakdown of the running game last week.

And man, Trey Smith got ****ing wrecked.

It seemed that way from the stadium. It sure seemed that way from the couch a day or two later, and a breakdown of the film pretty much closed the book on it.

Trey Smith has been a MAJOR problem this year. As bad as Wylie and far more damaging than Orlando Brown. If there were no long-term developmental problems arising from it and I could swap out one guy on this OL for an above average stand-in, it would be Smith. He's done more damage to this team than Wylie has.

I don't know if I think he's been worse than Wylie, but I think your point is right that having both play poorly has compunded their individual poor performances - there's just been no hiding place or assistance.

If he's injured I'd sit him but otherwise I'm really not convinced you're getting more from Allegretti. Put Allegretti up against Simmons and that's going to be rough watching imo.