Is CEH on his way out of KC?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by -King-

Watch any game. Our backs aren't asked for much route wise. Chip, run to the right flat. Be the check down. Chip, run to the left flat. Be the check down. Wheel route. Repeat.

So we never run screens for our RBs. Didn't know that. Must've imagined the ones I saw a few weeks ago. No angle routes, even though I know I saw one earlier in the season. But don't believe my lying eyes, got it.

But seriously, you just listed three things Rojo doesn't do.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

So we never run screens for our RBs. Didn't know that. Must've imagined the ones I saw a few weeks ago. No angle routes, even though I know I saw one earlier in the season. But don't believe my lying eyes, got it.

But seriously, you just listed three things Rojo doesn't do.

Ronald Jones runs screens. And no we don't run nearly enough of them for our running backs. And barely any angle routes.

And when you need to run those fancy schmancy screens that are so hard to run, you can put McKinnon in, or Pacheco in anyways.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by -King-

Ronald Jones runs screens. And no we don't run nearly enough of them for our running backs. And barely any angle routes.

And when you need to run those fancy schmancy screens that are so hard to run, you can put McKinnon in, or Pacheco in anyways.

How long have you been a fan? Since before Mahomes was the QB1 our RBs run routes from every possible position. X, Y, Z, H whatever. This is Andy's offense. How many times did we see Kareem run routes from the X or the Y? Dozens, at least. Probably close to hundreds.

Look, it comes down to flexibility, or in footballspeak, being multiple. RBs in Andy's offense have to be multiple. And have to be able to pass pro. THat's the job in a nutshell.

Rojo isn't multiple, and he doesn't pass pro very well, if you can call what he does in passing downs, pass pro.

CEH will pass pro, so automatically he's up a rung from RoJo in Andy's offense. Nothing to argue about there, period. Gotta protect the half-billion dollar QB.

Then you have to be able to run routes from at least the RB and slot (Y/H) just to stay on the field if Pat decides to go hurry up. That's how half the big plays happen; Pat sees a defense he wants to exploit and goes no huddle, keeping the DC from substituting. Rojo doesn't have that capability. Sod you have to sub him out if he can't do certain things, which allows the DC to sub as well.

The exact opposite of what Andy and Pat want.

Look, don't argue with me, go to RoJo's house and get on his ass for not being able to stay on the field because he won't pass pro.

If he could pass pro and run the plays Pat and Andy want to run in no-huddle, then yeah, let's get him on the field, because empirically he's a better runner than CEH.

But he can't, so Andy won't, so this is a moot discussion, again. Over before it starts.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

How long have you been a fan? Since before Mahomes was the QB1 our RBs run routes from every possible position. X, Y, Z, H whatever. This is Andy's offense. How many times did we see Kareem run routes from the X or the Y? Dozens, at least. Probably close to hundreds.

Look, it comes down to flexibility, or in footballspeak, being multiple. RBs in Andy's offense have to be multiple. And have to be able to pass pro. THat's the job in a nutshell.

Rojo isn't multiple, and he doesn't pass pro very well, if you can call what he does in passing downs, pass pro.

CEH will pass pro, so automatically he's up a rung from RoJo in Andy's offense. Nothing to argue about there, period. Gotta protect the half-billion dollar QB.

Then you have to be able to run routes from at least the RB and slot (Y/H) just to stay on the field if Pat decides to go hurry up. That's how half the big plays happen; Pat sees a defense he wants to exploit and goes no huddle, keeping the DC from substituting. Rojo doesn't have that capability. Sod you have to sub him out if he can't do certain things, which allows the DC to sub as well.

The exact opposite of what Andy and Pat want.

Look, don't argue with me, go to RoJo's house and get on his ass for not being able to stay on the field because he won't pass pro.

If he could pass pro and run the plays Pat and Andy want to run in no-huddle, then yeah, let's get him on the field, because empirically he's a better runner than CEH.

But he can't, so Andy won't, so this is a moot discussion, again. Over before it starts.

Yeah CEH runs so many routes and is such a better receiver than RoJo that he averages only 1 more catch per game than him. Either he doesn't run as many routes as you seem to think he does or he's just plain ass at it and doesn't get open or catch balls. Choose one. And our RBs get subbed out a lot even now. I'm confused why you think RoJo playing would mean he wouldn't get subbed out like they already do now.

I don't even get why you brought up Kareem. I've said it a lot on this site that when he left he took the screen playbook with him. Which is why again, CEH runs all his routes out of the backfield and he doesn't run a lot of screens, thus only averaging 1 catch and 8 yards receiving more than RoJo does.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by -King-

I don't even get why you brought up Kareem. I've said it a lot on this site that when he left he took the screen playbook with him.

That's not true. We had a pretty good screen game with Williams.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's not true. We had a pretty good screen game with Williams.

Yeah I said that on my original post but since he only brought up Kareem, that's who I used here

Originally Posted by -King-

Kareem and Damien Williams took the screen playbook with them. We barely run them ever since.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by -King-

Yeah I said that on my original post but since he only brought up Kareem, that's who I used here

Ah, my bad. I didn't see your original post.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by -King-

I don't even get why you brought up Kareem. I've said it a lot on this site that when he left he took the screen playbook with him. Which is why again, CEH runs all his routes out of the backfield and he doesn't run a lot of screens, thus only averaging 1 catch and 8 yards receiving more than RoJo does.

Kareem was the last best 3-down RB we had. After that it's been RB by committee.

R. jones isn't a complete back in the first place, and he doesn't know the playbook anyway. We know this because if he was and if he did, he'd probably be suiting up on Sundays. Or Mondays, or Thursdays. He's insurance.

Clyde knows the playbook, can pass pro and run routes.

Jerrick knows the playbook, can run routes, is a willing pass pro, and he's faster. Just injury -prone.

Pacheco doesn't know the whole playbook, but he's a willing pass pro back, can catch, and is the fastest, most violent runner.

R. Jones is a decent runner, doesn't know the playbook and doesn't pass pro.

Don't see how Jones is better than the other three in Andy's offense.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Kareem was the last best 3-down RB we had. After that it's been RB by committee.

R. jones isn't a complete back in the first place, and he doesn't know the playbook anyway. We know this because if he was and if he did, he'd probably be suiting up on Sundays. Or Mondays, or Thursdays. He's insurance.

Clyde knows the playbook, can pass pro and run routes.

Jerrick knows the playbook, can run routes, is a willing pass pro, and he's faster. Just injury -prone.

Pacheco doesn't know the whole playbook, but he's a willing pass pro back, can catch, and is the fastest, most violent runner.

R. Jones is a decent runner, doesn't know the playbook and doesn't pass pro.

Don't see how Jones is better than the other three in Andy's offense.

How exactly do you know he doesn't know the playbook? And if he doesn't, wtf good is he as insurance?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by -King-

How exactly do you know he doesn't know the playbook? And if he doesn't, wtf good is he as insurance?

I don’t for sure, but it’s a give. In the league that it takes time for skill players to learn Andy’s offense.

How do you know he has? Or that he’s now a willing pass protector?