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Old 01-11-2023, 04:13 PM   #1
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We should definitely pass final judgement on a player based on his rookie season.

Sounds like a good gameplan
I'm the one that wants to insert him into the offense next year and play. You're the one that wants to sign JJSS to suck up his snaps.

You're right, you shouldn't judge him.
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I'm the one that wants to insert him into the offense next year and play. You're the one that wants to sign JJSS to suck up his snaps.

You're right, you shouldn't judge him.
This.

If you're a Moore fan, AND you wanna keep JJSS, you're going to have to explain where these magical targets for Moore are gonna come from.
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This.

If you're a Moore fan, AND you wanna keep JJSS, you're going to have to explain where these magical targets for Moore are gonna come from.
By running deep crossers and vertical routes - duh.
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By running deep crossers and vertical routes - duh.
I mean, have we seen him run 1 of those this season? Just 1, 1 time?
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I'm the one that wants to insert him into the offense next year and play. You're the one that wants to sign JJSS to suck up his snaps.

You're right, you shouldn't judge him.
I’d sign Juju and let Watson walk. Give Skyy the reps from Watson and Hardman
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I’d sign Juju and let Watson walk. Give Skyy the reps from Watson and Hardman
Skyy doesn't do the things either of those guys do though.
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Skyy doesn't do the things either of those guys do though.
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Really now? Hmmm
He gained 12 yards and got run down from behind by a defensive end.

And it was probably his best run of the season.

Methinks this is not the caliber of argument you believe it is.

If they intend for Moore to replace Hardman's role on this team, they're setting him up to fail. This is NOT where he excels and if you are a fan of the guy it most assuredly not how you should want to see him used.
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He gained 12 yards and got run down from behind by a defensive end.

And it was probably his best run of the season.

Methinks this is not the caliber of argument you believe it is.

If they intend for Moore to replace Hardman's role on this team, they're setting him up to fail. This is NOT where he excels and if you are a fan of the guy it most assuredly not how you should want to see him used.
He’s an Andy Reid type of receiver. He is a Jack of all trades. He can do some of what Juju, Watson and Hardman do. You can debate the effectiveness to which he does it, but he is running those plays.

The league has changed guys. Fangio cover 2 is now the standard basic defense in the modern NFL. They aren’t letting you throw deep and are begging you to take advantage of other areas of the field.

If you’re Andy Reid and see that, why would you not want a healthy mix of Juju types and Hardman speed guys?

I don’t think Juju and Skyy on the same team means Skyy doesn’t get increased opportunities next season.
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I don’t think Juju and Skyy on the same team means Skyy doesn’t get increased opportunities next season.
He ain't taking MVS's snaps.

He ain't taking Toney's snaps.

He aint taking JuJu's snaps.

Assuming the Chiefs retain Watson, which seems likely, it'd be doubtful he takes Watson's snaps.

In the words of Pecheco, he's gonna have to take a grown man's job if he wants targets. You think that grown man is Watson. I don't think that's correct.

And lets not forget there's likely to be some combo of journey men, ala Watson and/or Rookies that he'll need to outplay as well.
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He’s an Andy Reid type of receiver. He is a Jack of all trades. He can do some of what Juju, Watson and Hardman do. You can debate the effectiveness to which he does it, but he is running those plays.

The league has changed guys. Fangio cover 2 is now the standard basic defense in the modern NFL. They aren’t letting you throw deep and are begging you to take advantage of other areas of the field.

If you’re Andy Reid and see that, why would you not want a healthy mix of Juju types and Hardman speed guys?

I don’t think Juju and Skyy on the same team means Skyy doesn’t get increased opportunities next season.
Andy Reid doesn't have a 'type' of WR.

He's succeeded with Terrell Owens, Jeremy Maclin, Desean Jackson, Tyreek Hill, JJSS and literally every single point and style in between.

There's no such thing as an 'Andy' wide receiver.
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He gained 12 yards and got run down from behind by a defensive end.

And it was probably his best run of the season.

Methinks this is not the caliber of argument you believe it is.

If they intend for Moore to replace Hardman's role on this team, they're setting him up to fail. This is NOT where he excels and if you are a fan of the guy it most assuredly not how you should want to see him used.
I think you’re being a little unfairly tough on the guy. I think the jury’s still out on the guy. But he’s doing his job here patiently waiting for blocks. On the other run and most of his other short catch and runs he shows he has really good wiggle in short spaces. He’s a pretty solid runner after the catch even if he’s not a mecole accelerate and run guy. He is a way better run after the catch guy than juju.

If he can become a decent intermediate threat he has a nice role in the offense. We need a guy who can catch and run because we will go hitch heavy at times. He’s got big paws which would be great to see him learn how to consistently break man coverage. And if he can play the game smarter he could be plenty dangerous in soft spots in the intermediate game. A lot of pieces have to fall into place but he would be a multi dimensional WR in an offense that lacks that. Now, I think Toney is doing all those things but better, but who knows if we can rely on him to stay healthy and if we keep him past next year. I don’t think it’s the worst thing for those 2 to co-exist.
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I think you’re being a little unfairly tough on the guy. I think the jury’s still out on the guy. But he’s doing his job here patiently waiting for blocks. On the other run and most of his other short catch and runs he shows he has really good wiggle in short spaces. He’s a pretty solid runner after the catch even if he’s not a mecole accelerate and run guy. He is a way better run after the catch guy than juju.
Lemme tell you how much I love seeing mediocre production written off as "he's doing his job..."

He gonna start setting edges next?

He's not 'waiting for his blocks to develop' - he's five yards behind his blocks as they develop. That's not 'waiting' as much as it's getting left behind. And he didn't get caught by a DL because he was waiting - he wasn't at his blocker's hips. He got caught from behind because he lacked the burst to carry the edge.

Meanwhile with Hardman's raw speed, he's right at that seam that splits open at the 15 yard line and cutting through it as it opens.

But because he doesn't have any special physical talents he 'does his job' or 'gets what is blocked' or 'manages the game' or whatever other code we use for guys who aren't actually playmakers.

That play was sufficiently blocked for 6 if it's Hardman running it. Maybe for Toney, though Toney's instincts to use wiggle may have actually had him bouncing that and getting squeezed out of bounds.

But 'taking what's blocked' is fungible. It's...fine.
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Really now? Hmmm
He caught a short pass and ran through contact to pick up additional yardage??

Man, it's almost like that's EXACTLY what JJSS has done in this offense all season and maybe that might be a good role for him to fill going forward...
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Really now? Hmmm
This is effectively a demonstration that Moore is still taking basic ed. classes in Reid's offense.

1. Hardman is way better at that shit than Moore.
2. You've failed to demonstrate the other, and more important part of Hardman and Watson's game: the vertical speed element
3. It's more likely that Toney ends up vulturing those snaps than Moore anyway, because, again, better at it.

I was told Skyy's game is his "elite" short area quickness, savvy route running skills and giant hands.

If that's the case, then why wouldn't you put him in JJSS' position and let him work short/intermediate zones? That's EXACTLY where'd you use a skill set like that. Hence why taking over JJSS' role makes perfect sense.

And frankly, Moore lovers should be embracing this idea, since that would at least give a qualifying reason as to why Moore hasn't seen more snaps.
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