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Old 02-23-2023, 03:15 PM   #1
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Smith had “nowhere near” this roster?

The 2017 roster was far better. I’d argue that several of his rosters were better.

We already saw what Mahomes could do with the same roster as Smith in ‘18. As a rookie, he obliterated Alex’s numbers in every way.
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Old 02-23-2023, 03:25 PM   #2
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Smith had “nowhere near” this roster?

The 2017 roster was far better. I’d argue that several of his rosters were better.

We already saw what Mahomes could do with the same roster as Smith in ‘18. As a rookie, he obliterated Alex’s numbers in every way.
It's no different than last Monday when suddenly "The Chiefs clearly have a better defense than Philly..."

Mere days after "Philly has a clearly better defense than the 49ers team KC beat in the Super Bowl..."

Give it another couple weeks and somehow the Chiefs will have the greatest defense in NFL history.

It's just bullshit revisionist history designed to take credit away from the clear best guy out there. Because "well shit, he's just better than everyone" doesn't get any sort of audience.
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Old 02-23-2023, 03:31 PM   #3
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It's no different than last Monday when suddenly "The Chiefs clearly have a better defense than Philly..."

Mere days after "Philly has a clearly better defense than the 49ers team KC beat in the Super Bowl..."

Give it another couple weeks and somehow the Chiefs will have the greatest defense in NFL history.

It's just bullshit revisionist history designed to take credit away from the clear best guy out there. Because "well shit, he's just better than everyone" doesn't get any sort of audience.
Are people really trying to say the Chiefs defense is better than the Eagles defense? KC gave up a ton of yards and 35 points. The only thing we can say for sure is the Eagles defense was probably overrated, based in large part on a weak schedule facing a lot of bad QB's. That does not mean KC had the better defense. Both defenses looked pretty dang bad in that game, lol
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Are people really trying to say the Chiefs defense is better than the Eagles defense? KC gave up a ton of yards and 35 points. The only thing we can say for sure is the Eagles defense was probably overrated, based in large part on a weak schedule facing a lot of bad QB's. That does not mean KC had the better defense. Both defenses looked pretty dang bad in that game, lol
Well, yeah, the field did a pretty damn good job in neutering both defenses.
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Well, yeah, the field did a pretty damn good job in neutering both defenses.
Valid point.
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Well, yeah, the field did a pretty damn good job in neutering both defenses.
I've rewatched the game a few times, Mahomes, Kelce and several offensive players were slipping a lot as well.

One that I didn't notice originally was on Mahomes first big scramble he slipped and almost went all the way to the ground before recovering and taking off.

What an embarrassment that field should be for the NFL. No excuse for that.
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Are people really trying to say the Chiefs defense is better than the Eagles defense? KC gave up a ton of yards and 35 points. The only thing we can say for sure is the Eagles defense was probably overrated, based in large part on a weak schedule facing a lot of bad QB's. That does not mean KC had the better defense. Both defenses looked pretty dang bad in that game, lol
The Chiefs defense is immune to the #1 killer of NFL defenses: Patrick Mahomes.

That's a pretty big advantage that they have over the rest of the league.
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Are people really trying to say the Chiefs defense is better than the Eagles defense? KC gave up a ton of yards and 35 points. The only thing we can say for sure is the Eagles defense was probably overrated, based in large part on a weak schedule facing a lot of bad QB's. That does not mean KC had the better defense. Both defenses looked pretty dang bad in that game, lol
I will. KC's defense gave up less points, so at the end of the day, you can't argue with basic math.

But I'll go a bit further and say that Spags defense attacked and adjusted their attack throughout the game; Gannon's defense played passively, tried to just read and react, and never made any adjustments.

In short, they tried to lean on their record/narrative that they were the second-coming of the 85 Bears defense, when they were in fact nothing of the kind.

Spags defense attacked while Gannon's tried to sit back and defend the walls of their imaginary greatness. I'll applaud the hunters, not the hunted.
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It's no different than last Monday when suddenly "The Chiefs clearly have a better defense than Philly..."

Mere days after "Philly has a clearly better defense than the 49ers team KC beat in the Super Bowl..."

Give it another couple weeks and somehow the Chiefs will have the greatest defense in NFL history.

It's just bullshit revisionist history designed to take credit away from the clear best guy out there. Because "well shit, he's just better than everyone" doesn't get any sort of audience.
They weren't just saying the Eagles had a better D. They were saying they had a vastly superior team.
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I don't care how people choose to label it. The Chiefs offense is fun to watch, just as it was fun to watch the Niners offense with Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, & Jerry Rice.
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It has gotten pretty old watching people denigrate the.roster, though. It's always been an upper tier roster even when Veach was going through growing pains into a top tier GM.
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It has gotten pretty old watching people denigrate the.roster, though. It's always been an upper tier roster even when Veach was going through growing pains into a top tier GM.
In Reid's first 4 seasons here, they fielded a top 10 defense every year, more than Marty in any 4 year period. And 3 of those 4 years they were TOP FIVE.

Granted, a lot of those guys were holdovers from the previous regime but those same players won 2 games in 2012 and won 11 the very next year.

If you want to say 2015 was the real start of Andy and Dorsey's players being more prominent than the older guys, well - they won 23 of 32 games in 2015 and 2016.

And Andy coached Alex Smith to a career year in 2017. Some pundits were talking about Smith as a possible POY candidate at the time.

This idea that the Chiefs have EVER had a bad roster under Reid is just pure nonsense.

Under Reid, they've NEVER finished worse than 2nd in the AFC West and those 3 years they finished 2nd just happened to be 2013-2015.
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