Veach and Reid have a template to compete each year

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

When you have Hill, and you drafted Hardman, then other units were more in need, so the WR room got late round picks and reclamation projects.

And there you go. Thank you for making my point for me. That we deprioritize needs on offense. Probably because we just expect Reid and mahomes to carry us.

Our interior OL was a disaster for several years. But we were desperate to fix our defense so we let mahomes get rolled for several years. We knew Wylie was shit for 2 years. But we had to fix our Defense. The minute Watkins became unreliable WR became a need - we threw one damn high-ish pick in FIVE YEARS for a position where you can use 3 or 4 guys and even if you think we tried, every single option failed. As in, could barely get a one year contract with another team.

the fact that you don’t think it was a need even back then just means you don’t think these positions are very important. Hence the point about being complacent. We are ok with it because mahomes can elevate the talent.

[kozzman555]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And there you go. Thank you for making my point for me. That we deprioritize needs on offense. Probably because we just expect Reid and mahomes to carry us.

Our interior OL was a disaster for several years. But we were desperate to fix our defense so we let mahomes get rolled for several years. We knew Wylie was shit for 2 years. But we had to fix our Defense. The minute Watkins became unreliable WR became a need - we threw one damn high-ish pick in FIVE YEARS for a position where you can use 3 or 4 guys and even if you think we tried, every single option failed. As in, could barely get a one year contract with another team.

the fact that you don’t think it was a need even back then just means you don’t think these positions are very important. Hence the point about being complacent. We are ok with it because mahomes can elevate the talent.

There's only so many draft picks to go around my dude. While Veach is one of, if not the best, GM in the NFL he isn't guaranteed to hit on all of them. There are going to be busts. It's a fact of life. We are going to use our draft pics to address the positions of need, if we can, depending on how the board falls. Sometimes it's not going to line up, sometimes we have to go a different direction.

Same thing with FA. There's a salary cap, it's not Madden. We put out the biggest fires first and then worry about the rest. Our team prior to Veach was not deep. We had a few great players and a ton of JAG's. We are turning over the roster as our draft picks and salary cap allow us. These 1 and 2 year deals are buying us time for our draft picks to actually develop, or not.

I keep reading about our lack of receivers in this thread. Like, really? Isn't Reid's offense notoriously difficult to learn and master, due to each receiver needing to know ALL of the responsibilities? Imagine having to learn all of that, plus having to learn to play at an NFL level, and study film. It's a hell of a learning curve. Be patient, we've gotten to 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls and won two of them. I think what we are doing is ok and we need to have a little faith in the process. It seems to be working.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by kozzman555

There's only so many draft picks to go around my dude. While Veach is one of, if not the best, GM in the NFL he isn't guaranteed to hit on all of them. There are going to be busts. It's a fact of life. We are going to use our draft pics to address the positions of need, if we can, depending on how the board falls. Sometimes it's not going to line up, sometimes we have to go a different direction.

Same thing with FA. There's a salary cap, it's not Madden. We put out the biggest fires first and then worry about the rest. Our team prior to Veach was not deep. We had a few great players and a ton of JAG's. We are turning over the roster as our draft picks and salary cap allow us. These 1 and 2 year deals are buying us time for our draft picks to actually develop, or not.

I keep reading about our lack of receivers in this thread. Like, really? Isn't Reid's offense notoriously difficult to learn and master, due to each receiver needing to know ALL of the responsibilities? Imagine having to learn all of that, plus having to learn to play at an NFL level, and study film. It's a hell of a learning curve. Be patient, we've gotten to 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls and won two of them. I think what we are doing is ok and we need to have a little faith in the process. It seems to be working.

If there are a limited amount of resources especially with mahomes new contract, then you must agree that our effort to build the best possible defense our draft can find makes it really difficult to put anything into the offense. If our WRs and OL need time to develop then maybe we shouldn’t wait until the rooms are completely broken and react to crises, and instead proactively take a lot of swings so we don’t have to rush guys out there before they’re ready. instead we are forced to fill these holes. We are considering a bandaid to mahomes blind side when we should have had a RT ready by now. Hell, we shouldn’t have waited a few years to let Wylie keep playing. We had 5 years to find a replacement to tyreek or hell, even Sammy Watkins. Hell to find a single WR3 or WR4. So for a position that takes a long time to develop we threw 5 new guys all at once.

And to add to that, we don’t know how much longer kelce will dominate or even be a model of health. We have to plan for that too.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And there you go. Thank you for making my point for me. That we deprioritize needs on offense. Probably because we just expect Reid and mahomes to carry us.

Our interior OL was a disaster for several years. But we were desperate to fix our defense so we let mahomes get rolled for several years. We knew Wylie was shit for 2 years. But we had to fix our Defense. The minute Watkins became unreliable WR became a need - we threw one damn high-ish pick in FIVE YEARS for a position where you can use 3 or 4 guys and even if you think we tried, every single option failed. As in, could barely get a one year contract with another team.

the fact that you don’t think it was a need even back then just means you don’t think these positions are very important. Hence the point about being complacent. We are ok with it because mahomes can elevate the talent.

Except no, I didn't make your point for you. When you have a top five WR and a high draft pick WR you're trying to develop, but gaping holes at other places in your roster, it's not "de-prioritizing" offense to work on those holes. This is an absurd argument on your part. You fill the holes you have CURRENTLY first, and there are only so many draft picks and cap dollars so you do the best you can.

There were offensive line problems, and defensive line problems, and secondary issues, and LB issues, and all of those things were threats to derail the express.

We're only one season removed from Sorensen, Niemann, Reiter, and Cam Irving taking meaningful snaps. Those were big holes. Areas of poor talent. We had Hill, had invested a 2nd in Hardman, and Kelce. Hardman didn't really develop beyond a gadget guy, but you have to play that hand through. You can't say that there wasn't enough talent there in those years.

When Hill left, the intensity of investment changed dramatically, and we'll see what shakes out, but for the thousandth time, there has been a significant investment in the WR room. It's smart to do this now, while Kelce is still Kelce.

Juju and MVS were/are stopgaps while the younguns develop.

It's smart. The OT investment is smart. The defensive investment is smart. We're going to have to play the other elite QB's in the play-offs, and a good defense gives us more of a margin for error.

Your argument is nuts, and all over the place. You were literally arguing that we were in trouble at LB, when that's probably the most stocked position on the roster; but now we've invested too much in the defense. You make no sense.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Except no, I didn't make your point for you. When you have a top five WR and a high draft pick WR you're trying to develop, but gaping holes at other places in your roster, it's not "de-prioritizing" offense to work on those holes. This is an absurd argument on your part. You fill the holes you have CURRENTLY first, and there are only so many draft picks and cap dollars so you do the best you can.

There were offensive line problems, and defensive line problems, and secondary issues, and LB issues, and all of those things were threats to derail the express.

We're only one season removed from Sorensen, Niemann, Reiter, and Cam Irving taking meaningful snaps. Those were big holes. Areas of poor talent. We had Hill, had invested a 2nd in Hardman, and Kelce. Hardman didn't really develop beyond a gadget guy, but you have to play that hand through. You can't say that there wasn't enough talent there in those years.

When Hill left, the intensity of investment changed dramatically, and we'll see what shakes out, but for the thousandth time, there has been a significant investment in the WR room. It's smart to do this now, while Kelce is still Kelce.

Juju and MVS were/are stopgaps while the younguns develop.

It's smart. The OT investment is smart. The defensive investment is smart. We're going to have to play the other elite QB's in the play-offs, and a good defense gives us more of a margin for error.

Your argument is nuts, and all over the place. You were literally arguing that we were in trouble at LB, when that's probably the most stocked position on the roster; but now we've invested too much in the defense. You make no sense.

There is always going to be a crisis when you have to fill every damn position. That is the point I’ve been making. Our defense has had crises almost every single year. We do not have to be elite on both sides of the ball. So yeah, you’ve proven my point. We deprioritized WR even when that meant using mecole as WR2 in 2021 (with him being our only semi major swing in 5 years) to fill a 5-person WR room. We let mahomes get mauled behind a shit interior OL because we had to fix suttons defense. We kicked the can down the road on Wylie and now we may end up protecting mahomes’ blind side with a bandaid. A single competent RT would have let Taylor develop into the LT we intended him to be.

I’m glad we’re making some swings now at WR or OT. But we shouldn’t have to wait for the dam burst to create urgency. You act like we care so much about WR or OL because we took a lot of swings only recently. Well yeah, when you ignore it or do so badly at finding guys for years requiring you to replace the entire unit, you HAVE to. It’s reactive and somewhat out of desperation.

I didn’t say we were in trouble at LB. Not at all. I don’t love that the next wave may look to be putting a huge chunk of our payroll on low positional value spots like interior OL and LB. Areas easily filled by the late draft.

You’re making it clear where you stand. You think these offensive skill positions are lesser importance because Reid and mahomes can carry them. You basically admitted to deprioritizing OL and WR during the tyreek years. And that was fine. Now that our defensive roster is set, you’re still fine with us now looking for back of the roster DBs and DL, but that was not necessary back when our offensive roster was “set.”