Andy Reid, then and now.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

I guess your preferred alternative would be some window licking hive mind that all think like you do.

I find it hilarious how absolutely asshurt and offended some people here get when Andy is questioned or criticized in any way.

You do understand that my posts in no way should affect your groupie level obsession with the infallible Andy Reid, correct? Andy Reid is going to be on tge sidelines coaching the Kansas City Chiefs until such time as he decides to retire from coaching NFL Football.

You're going to see the Chiefs have a shot at the title every year, and you're also going to see some decisions that put that shot in a lot more jeopardy than should probably happen if Andy is what you've all built him up to be in your mind, an infallible genius, unquestionable and beyond reproach.


As for the guy who said "nobody cares about the Alex Smith playoff losses" you need look no further than that to prove my ****ing point.

Those playoff games were winnable, instead they were epic failures of the highest order.

Pretend you were all happy with losing those games if you like. I guess it's easier to do that than admit the guy that finally got you a title (thanks in large part to the guy wearing 15) isn't a guy that lost more post season games he was favored to win than any other coach in history.

He's shown a trend to repeat the same inexplicable bullshit for years without changing, which means he has not changed, he just got a legend dropped into his lap that can overcome more of these gaffes than your average player could.

Keep this same energy when we surrender punt in the post season and get ourselves a trip home to the couch. Then he can take full responsibility and look in the mirror and maybe have a shot at figuring out what went wrong, when everyone watching already knows its because Clyde and Skyy got put into the game because barbecue sauce better job better job packages, while Pacheco and Rice watch from the sidelines, we wasted downs on critical series trusting these clowns when all theyve done all ****ing career is fail, and probably still couldn't figure out that ultra difficult 3rd and 1 thing.

Maybe as a bonus we will get to see a timeout wasted due to a ball spot challenge early in the first quarter, because challenges and timeouts aren't really something you may really ****ing need late in the half, or 4th quarter.

Maybe it's my age. I don't know how old you are, I'm about to turn 53. I lived through the worst of the worst in KC. Now...I have 7 division titles, we've hosted 5 AFCC games, won 3AFC Championships, 2 SB victories, all those in the last 7 years. I just can't fathom the level of anger and frustration you have on display.

Would it be nice if Reid would possibly not do some things that we as fans find rather...stupid? Sure. You can mention those things. But MY GOD man...like it or not your rants come off like we are the Chiefs of 2015 or something...or worse, 2012...

I dunno. I don't let this stuff be my whole life any more, and now that we've had some pretty unparalleled success these last 6 years, I just can't get too worked up about it. We are on a backslide this year in terms of offensive production, mostly because of our WR room. Penalties and turnovers are the other part. Somewhere in there, Andy has some **** ups and responsibility as well. But DAMN dude...you seriously come off as someone who can NOT be happy unless the Chiefs win the SB every year. Newsflash...that ain't gonna happen.

Just chill man, it's not that big of a deal. JMO.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven

Maybe it's my age. I don't know how old you are, I'm about to turn 53. I lived through the worst of the worst in KC. Now...I have 7 division titles, we've hosted 5 AFCC games, won 3AFC Championships, 2 SB victories, all those in the last 7 years. I just can't fathom the level of anger and frustration you have on display.

Would it be nice if Reid would possibly not do some things that we as fans find rather...stupid? Sure. You can mention those things. But MY GOD man...like it or not your rants come off like we are the Chiefs of 2015 or something...or worse, 2012...

I dunno. I don't let this stuff be my whole life any more, and now that we've had some pretty unparalleled success these last 6 years, I just can't get too worked up about it. We are on a backslide this year in terms of offensive production, mostly because of our WR room. Penalties and turnovers are the other part. Somewhere in there, Andy has some **** ups and responsibility as well. But DAMN dude...you seriously come off as someone who can NOT be happy unless the Chiefs win the SB every year. Newsflash...that ain't gonna happen.

Just chill man, it's not that big of a deal. JMO.

If the Chiefs have a team capable of winning the superbowl, and they squander it, then yeah, it kind of is that big of a deal.

As I've said, if you're pleased with 2/5 when he's had literally the best player that ever lived, hey great. I envy your ability to settle for less and not expect this dude who I'm told is some big legend, to take the best player that ever lived and go get the job done.

I guess I don't have that aw shucks, it was a good try tho outlook.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

If the Chiefs have a team capable of winning the superbowl, and they squander it, then yeah, it kind of is that big of a deal.

49ers: 4 Super Bowls in 10 years
Steelers: 4 Super Bowls in 10 years
Patriots: 3 Super Bowls in 14 years

It's a big deal!!!!!

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

If the Chiefs have a team capable of winning the superbowl, and they squander it, then yeah, it kind of is that big of a deal.

As I've said, if you're pleased with 2/5 when he's had literally the best player that ever lived, hey great. I envy your ability to settle for less and not expect this dude who I'm told is some big legend, to take the best player that ever lived and go get the job done.

I guess I don't have that aw shucks, it was a good try tho outlook.

You are right on that at least.

Yes, I'm pleased with 2\3 SB's and 3\5 AFCC, and plenty of reason to believe that there will be more to come. The fact that you are not says a lot about you. You have no skin in the game except passion, which I appreciate...but you are solidly unrealistic. Why didn't the Patriots go to and win the SB every year? Because they play in the NFL, there are injuries, down seasons, disappointing drafts and in game mistakes. You don't seem to be able to accept that reality.

I don't know how old you are, but you honestly sound very young to me. Not an insult, just a statement of fact.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven

You are right on that at least.

Yes, I'm pleased with 2\3 SB's and 3\5 AFCC, and plenty of reason to believe that there will be more to come.

And are you equally pleased with the losses? You sure don't sound to irritated about them.



The fact that you are not says a lot about you.

It says I expect the alleged legend to get the job done when he has mote than enough talent to do so. First half shutouts to Bill Belichick don't qualify. Fortunately, Andy has Dee Ford to make people forget the first half he pissed away.

You have no skin in the game except passion, which I appreciate...but you are solidly unrealistic.

I'm, unrealistic, yet here you are expecting more to come while being pleased with what you've seen. While you bask in the warm glow of the unknown future and all the superbowls we will win that will make these past squandered opportunities just fade into the ether, I think I will go ahead and be a bit more realistic and acknowledge that it is ENTIRELY possible for the Chiefs to never win another superbowl under Andy. He certainly provides enough questionable calls and gaffes to raise the difficulty level.


Why didn't the Patriots go to and win the SB every year?

Only so many ways to cheat?

Because they play in the NFL,

Thanks for clearing that up.


there are injuries, down seasons, disappointing drafts and in game mistakes.

Like....getting shut out in the first half, against a defensive coach? How about squandering timeouts and repeatedly calling passes into 8 man coverages?

We had injuries and drops in SB55 so he gets pass there overall, but can't overlook that he poked the bear at the end of half with a timeout when the bucs were conceding the rest of the half and we'd go in down one score and get ball in 3rd. 2 spot fouls and a score later, his terrible offense is now forced to be one dimensional and the rest is history.

So yes. In game mistakes have cost Andy a lot. For decades. But he's the same guy. There is no mirror. The only changes are the players.



You don't seem to be able to accept that reality.

Sure. Let me come check out your alternate universe where despite doing all this dumb shit, the Chiefs are gonna win more Superbowls without correcting the dumb shit.

I don't know how old you are, but you honestly sound very young to me. Not an insult, just a statement of fact.

I was 15 when Joe shamed Buddy Ryan in the Astrodome. I was 37 the next time they won a playoff game.

I'm aware of the "dark times". Just because you win a lot of regular season games doesn't mean dumb shit doesn't get you beat in the big ones.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

I was 15 when Joe shamed Buddy Ryan in the Astrodome. I was 37 the next time they won a playoff game.

I'm aware of the "dark times". Just because you win a lot of regular season games doesn't mean dumb shit doesn't get you beat in the big ones.

Jesus dude. I can't communicate how futile your wasted energy is.

Go Chiefs.

[Zap Rowsdower]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

I was 15 when Joe shamed Buddy Ryan in the Astrodome. I was 37 the next time they won a playoff game.

I'm aware of the "dark times". Just because you win a lot of regular season games doesn't mean dumb shit doesn't get you beat in the big ones.

Where would you rank Andy Reid among current head coaches in the NFL?

[Tylerthigpen!1!]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

If the Chiefs have a team capable of winning the superbowl, and they squander it, then yeah, it kind of is that big of a deal.

As I've said, if you're pleased with 2/5 when he's had literally the best player that ever lived, hey great. I envy your ability to settle for less and not expect this dude who I'm told is some big legend, to take the best player that ever lived and go get the job done.

I guess I don't have that aw shucks, it was a good try tho outlook.

You're correct in saying that Andy has flaws. But people are disagreeing with you because you are judging him in a vacuum. Every coach has flaws. Do you judge yourself with the same rigidity?

What year was Alex Smith's best statistical season? What happened the following year?

How many superbowls has Aaron Rodgers won? Dan Marino? Both generational talents. Both had coaches not on par with AR.