Off-season WR possibilities

[Reerun_KC]

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

3+ new WRs is overboard I think. They don’t need a complete overhaul, and you need a little continuity.

I think one good free agent/trade and a 1st or 2nd round pick will be plenty good enough, as long as they don’t draft another Moore.

FA/trade
Rice
Draft pick
Watson
James
Toney

If Toney performs and stays healthy, that’s just a bonus.

I have a bad feeling they’re going to keep Moore though.

You need 3 because James is a FA, and putting Watson or Toney in any kind of position that relies upon them can't be trusted.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

The fanbase already is - christ people are advocating for guys like Hollywood Brown and Mooney, who haven't done shit in like 3 years.

OOOOH "insert WR here" had a 1k season once! Go get him Bert Varch!

Duncan is right - WE don't know who is going to be available on the FA or trade market - but it's Veach's job to have a pretty good idea and plan accordingly.

Every year there are surprising cap casualties as well. If they *want* to go get a true WR1, they will.

My concern is that they're going to go the spare parts route again, and we're right back here talking about how we're overpaying another bottom of the group WR like MVS.

Marquise Brown was good the last time he was in a competent system and is still young. I won’t put too much of the lack of production in Arizona on him. It’s more dysfunction than anything else, IMO. And Murray being out a bunch.

I wouldn’t consider him or Evans “spare parts.”

They’ll approach it from a few different angles, I think. And if it’s Mooney as the top FA agent, I’d be surprised.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's the top of the group that kills you, not the bottom. If you had this group, minus MVS as your 4/5/6 type guys, you're fine.

Toney as the #4/fringe #3 guy is a really talented room.

Yeah they don't need to overcorrect and go crazy trying to spend tons of money on it. If MVS and Toney simply catch passes like an average NFL and. It be reeruned lining up offsides then we're probably sitting at 13-3 looking to lock up the 1 seed this week.

Feels like they could spend some money on a WR2 like Ridley or Brown and get a wave 2 consistency guy like Boyd or Samuel and then look to the draft.

I'd expect Veach land a big fish at WR on day 1 of FA

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Marquise Brown was good the last time he was in a competent system and is still young. I won’t put too much of the lack of production in Arizona on him. It’s more dysfunction than anything else, IMO. And Murray being out a bunch.

I wouldn’t consider him or Evans “spare parts.”

They’ll approach it from a few different angles, I think. And if it’s Mooney as the top FA agent, I’d be surprised.

Evans certainly isn't spare parts. I've been out on him due to age and the money he's likely to command, but if Veach could pull a rabbit from his hat and sign him to a friendly deal (either $ or years) I'd be fine with that and a draft pick.

But just thinking guys like Hollywood and Mooney (as examples) are gonna be good just because?

Hell, we had guys regress IN this system, I'm not sure why anyone would just assume that guys who haven't produced in years would all of a sudden revive their careers here.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Marquise Brown was good the last time he was in a competent system and is still young. I won’t put too much of the lack of production in Arizona on him. It’s more dysfunction than anything else, IMO. And Murray being out a bunch.

I wouldn’t consider him or Evans “spare parts.”

They’ll approach it from a few different angles, I think. And if it’s Mooney as the top FA agent, I’d be surprised.

I like Mooney a lot but if they add Mooney they need to add another vet chain mover and then move up for 1st round WR.

The WR room needs to be setup for now and the future as Kelce aging out.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Evans certainly isn't spare parts. I've been out on him due to age and the money he's likely to command, but if Veach could pull a rabbit from his hat and sign him to a friendly deal (either $ or years) I'd be fine with that and a draft pick.

But just thinking guys like Hollywood and Mooney (as examples) are gonna be good just because?

Hell, we had guys regress IN this system, I'm not sure why anyone would just assume that guys who haven't produced in years would all of a sudden revive their careers here.

Hollywood would look better with Mahomes than he did with Dobbs or Tune or Lamar in a run-first Ravens offense a few years ago.

He's very good at getting behind a defense and catching TD's.

Kind of a need here if you haven't noticed.

[Gravedigger]

No joke.

Travis Kelce 984 yards
Rashee Rice 938 yards
Justin Watson 460 yards
MVS 315 yards
Skyy Moore 244 yards
Kadarius Toney 169 yards
Richie James 99 yards
Mecole Hardman 47 yards
Justyn Ross 36 yards

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Hollywood would look better with Mahomes than he did with Dobbs or Tune or Lamar in a run-first Ravens offense a few years ago.

He's very good at getting behind a defense and catching TD's.

Kind of a need here if you haven't noticed.

It is?

We won a SB without that *need* in the arsenal.

Honestly, without some key drops and James' missed time, we'd be fighting for HFA right now.

They aren't *that* far off. Find a true WR1 to pair with Rice, draft another guy to develop and bring back James and/or Toney and they'll be fine.

But if they go back and make the MVS mistake again?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

It is?

We won a SB without that *need* in the arsenal.

Honestly, without some key drops and James' missed time, we'd be fighting for HFA right now.

They aren't *that* far off. Find a true WR1 to pair with Rice, draft another guy to develop and bring back James and/or Toney and they'll be fine.

But if they go back and make the MVS mistake again?

If they get a WR 1 it's probably someone that can do that.

Yes, it's a huge need. Last year teams still were scared Mahomes would buy time and hit someone deep so they still played off and let us do efficiency stuff.

This year teams know we can't beat them so everyone squatting on short stuff and the efficiency that worked last year is broken.

If you can't threaten verticals teams will come up.

Watch the Raiders or Broncos play us. Zero respect or worry about getting beat deep.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Evans certainly isn't spare parts. I've been out on him due to age and the money he's likely to command, but if Veach could pull a rabbit from his hat and sign him to a friendly deal (either $ or years) I'd be fine with that and a draft pick.

But just thinking guys like Hollywood and Mooney (as examples) are gonna be good just because?

Hell, we had guys regress IN this system, I'm not sure why anyone would just assume that guys who haven't produced in years would all of a sudden revive their careers here.

My thought re: Brown is about his abilities and fit. He's still fast, and quick, and has good acceleration, and is a reliable catcher of the football. His scheme fit is high.

He was a productive and ascending player until he landed in the Arizona mess, and even there he was pretty good at the start (about 460 yards in his first six games before it all went to shit between injuries to Murray, and Kingsbury getting fired.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

It is?

We won a SB without that *need* in the arsenal.

Honestly, without some key drops and James' missed time, we'd be fighting for HFA right now.

They aren't *that* far off. Find a true WR1 to pair with Rice, draft another guy to develop and bring back James and/or Toney and they'll be fine.

But if they go back and make the MVS mistake again?

They also need to start looking at a replacement for Kelce. He will be 35 next year and while TEs age well he can’t be expected to continue 100 catch, 1,000 yard seasons. He can still do a lot, and taking some burden off of him would help a ton while still giving Mahomes a safety blanket.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

3+ new WRs is overboard I think. They don’t need a complete overhaul, and you need a little continuity.

I think one good free agent/trade and a 1st or 2nd round pick will be plenty good enough, as long as they don’t draft another Moore.

FA/trade
Rice
Draft pick
Watson
James
Toney

If Toney performs and stays healthy, that’s just a bonus.

I have a bad feeling they’re going to keep Moore though.

MVS, Ross, Moore, Hardman, and Toney...there is so little production there that 3 new WRs seems conservative. Continuity with those 5 is a negative.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

My thought re: Brown is about his abilities and fit. He's still fast, and quick, and has good acceleration, and is a reliable catcher of the football. His scheme fit is high.

He was a productive and ascending player until he landed in the Arizona mess, and even there he was pretty good at the start (about 460 yards in his first six games before it all went to shit between injuries to Murray, and Kingsbury getting fired.

Hollywood had 21 TD's in 3 years with Lamar starting out. 7 in 2 years with Kyler missing about 60% of the games. He's a really good scheme fit opposite Rice.

There just isn't a true WR1 available unless a guy late in the 1st could eventually develop into that. Rudely, Brown, Higgins. All these guys are WR2's which is fine.

There's only like 10-15 true alpha WR1's in the league

[MahomesMagic]

I don't want to see this group of WR's ever again. Only Rice worth keeping,

Get 4 new bodies.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I don't want to see this group of WR's ever again. Only Rice worth keeping,

Get 4 new bodies.

You're gonna be *highly* disappointed.