Off-season WR possibilities

[Reerun_KC]

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

[BossChief]

I like Hollywood, but no way in hell am I paying him anywhere near that kind of money. MVS type deal, max.

[xztop123]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Nah that WR room is an abomination, it should never ever be THAT bad. There is nothing wrong with building a solid defense but it shouldn't have been done at the expense of Pats weapons.

I think the learning point here is, yes defense is important....but they have to much invested in LB and also there's a lot invested in the interior OL. That's probably the course corrections going forward.

For me it’s de and guard that’s overly invested. Though we may have the best de rotation in football right now I think it’s overkilll when our first rd de hardly plays.

Guard is just not a premium position especially when you have a guy that likes to roll out of the pocket and excels at that.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Nah that WR room is an abomination, it should never ever be THAT bad. There is nothing wrong with building a solid defense but it shouldn't have been done at the expense of Pats weapons.

I think the learning point here is, yes defense is important....but they have to much invested in LB and also there's a lot invested in the interior OL. That's probably the course corrections going forward.

The WR room catches all the shit, but again, they just won a SB with it last year.

Rice has easily replaced JJSS so that doesn't really hold up. Shit just got weird and they all sucked.

They'll pivot. People will bitch when they can't get stops next year. Repeat.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not you in particular, but it's funny how Chiefs fans were ok trading one away and not paying him that but now alot want them to go get whoever.

I'd trade and pay a guy. There's gonna be one available, no one thought Tyreek would be there and yet...

I think Chiefs fans were universally OK with paying Tyreek Hill at the top of the market as it existed in March 2022. Then Davante Adams happened and blew the market up and he wanted to re-set it. At $30M/year, it didn't work.

I'd love for the Chiefs to trade for someone, but I just don't see it. Not a young guy who can be a centerpiece.

I know you're on Brandon Aiyuk and man, I love his ability. But trading big resources for a guy to then pay him top of market is pretty tough and has far-reaching impacts.

Especially when there are guys in FA who could also be huge impacts in a positive way for the Chiefs, for less money and no draft resources.

I'd rather have Marquise Brown at something like 4/70M + the 2024 1st (which I can use on a WR or a LT) + another $70M to spread around over 4 years than Brandon Aiyuk at 5/$125 and no 1st.

Or Mike Evans at 2/40M + the 24 1st + another $10M to spread around.

Now, if it's a Day 2 or Day 3 trade for someone like DeAndre Hopkins or Terry McLaurin (though I can't see a way the Redskins trade him when they're about to draft a rookie QB to play right away and McLaurin is in his prime). OK, sure. Let's talk.

There are a lot of paths forward. I think the one that involves trading a 1st for a guy you then make a top 5-paid guy at his position is least likely.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think Chiefs fans were universally OK with paying Tyreek Hill at the top of the market as it existed in March 2022. Then Davante Adams happened and blew the market up and he wanted to re-set it. At $30M/year, it didn't work.

I'd love for the Chiefs to trade for someone, but I just don't see it. Not a young guy who can be a centerpiece.

I know you're on Brandon Aiyuk and man, I love his ability. But trading big resources for a guy to then pay him top of market is pretty tough and has far-reaching impacts.

Especially when there are guys in FA who could also be huge impacts in a positive way for the Chiefs, for less money and no draft resources.

I'd rather have Marquise Brown at something like 4/70M + the 2024 1st (which I can use on a WR or a LT) + another $70M to spread around over 4 years than Brandon Aiyuk at 5/$125 and no 1st.

Or Mike Evans at 2/40M + the 24 1st + another $10M to spread around.

Now, if it's a Day 2 or Day 3 trade for someone like DeAndre Hopkins or Terry McLaurin (though I can't see a way the Redskins trade him when they're about to draft a rookie QB to play right away and McLaurin is in his prime). OK, sure. Let's talk.

There are a lot of paths forward. I think the one that involves trading a 1st for a guy you then make a top 5-paid guy at his position is least likely.

Theoretically though, they aren't gonna need to really pay a big position guy for a few years. Creed is great, he's also a C. Thuney is gonna be off the books, you'll have to sign a LB'er but are those off ball Lb'ers gonna really break much of a bank?

They aren't paying a LT, they may have to and or trade up for one so that complicates it.

But you probably tag and pay Sneed, maybe extend or cut Reid. Otherwise, you're secondary is set. You've got pass rushers from the first to play.

They were supposedly in on Aj Brown. If that's the case, they know what kinda waters those are to swim in, so that would open up some things.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

The WR room catches all the shit, but again, they just won a SB with it last year.

Rice has easily replaced JJSS so that doesn't really hold up. Shit just got weird and they all sucked.

They'll pivot. People will bitch when they can't get stops next year. Repeat.

MVS has gone from a decent complimentary player that was a big reason we won the AFC championship game to unplayable.

[Mecca]

Personally I think the best course of action would be to go round 1 WR which is probably Franklin...then bring in a few signings.

Noah Brown is at the top of my list for money and how he would fit in here. But he's more depth after that I'd certainly see what it would take to get a Evans or Ridley in here.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

Go look at the career stats for Sammy Watkins.The best year of his career he had 60 receptions for 1,047 yards and 9 TDs. Sammy NEVER had over 55 receptions, 675 yards or 3 TDs in a Chiefs uniform.

Rashee Rice in his rookie year just put up 79 receptions for 938 yards and 7 TDs.

Sammy Watkins hype was a product of his top 5 draft position. Rashee Rice is already a better NFL player. Id expect him to take a leap next year as well.

Well yeah, Hammy Watkins spent half his games injured and he was competing for targets with prime Kelce and Hill.

But the offense was noticeably better when he was active than when he wasn't.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mecca

MVS has gone from a decent complimentary player that was a big reason we won the AFC championship game to unplayable.

This. And they overpaid for him to get the deep speed threat to keep teams from squeezing up against the short game in cover zero or single high. It worked last year. It hasn’t worked this year. Because MVS has reached Feathwrstone from Necessary Roughness status. He has regressed so much teams just don’t fear him at all.

They’re going to attack that again. There are a few ways to attack jt - could be a speed merchant Z type, or a big physical X type.

I feel like they’re going to draft one of those types and sign the other.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by O.city

Paying Hollywood 15 million dollars to be a complimentary guy seems like a real waste of resources though. If I'm gonna pay, PAY, and be done with it with a guy that's gonna be that valuable.

Again, exactly.

Not to mention there's a better chance than not that the guy just isn't what some people think he is based on one season.

It's exactly how we end up right back in the position we're in now.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

The WR room catches all the shit, but again, they just won a SB with it last year.

Rice has easily replaced JJSS so that doesn't really hold up. Shit just got weird and they all sucked.

They'll pivot. People will bitch when they can't get stops next year. Repeat.

This is why trade and a pay for a guy is a bad idea. They need resources whether it's money or early draft picks to stay balanced.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Nah that WR room is an abomination, it should never ever be THAT bad. There is nothing wrong with building a solid defense but it shouldn't have been done at the expense of Pats weapons.

I think the learning point here is, yes defense is important....but they have to much invested in LB and also there's a lot invested in the interior OL. That's probably the course corrections going forward.

From a talent perspective, it's nowhere NEAR that bad.

People are freaking out because it's literally been an "everything that can go wrong, has" kind of season.

The room isn't terrible. But damned if they aren't all playing terrible at the same time. I really think losing EB has played a role, not so much from a play calling perspective, but from a climbing in asses perspective.

Some folks are gonna be disappointed when most of this room comes back in '24.

[MahomesMagic]

It's amazing that people want to move on from MVS and then have sticker shock at 15 million a year.

If they sign Hollywood at 15 he's the only WR getting paid real money as Rice is cost-controlled and they also need to add a top pick at WR who will also be cost controlled.

15 million plus draft pick salaries for your top 3 WR's is nothing.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

From a talent perspective, it's nowhere NEAR that bad.

People are freaking out because it's literally been an "everything that can go wrong, has" kind of season.

The room isn't terrible. But damned if they aren't all playing terrible at the same time. I really think losing EB has played a role, not so much from a play calling perspective, but from a climbing in asses perspective.

Some folks are gonna be disappointed when most of this room comes back in '24.

These guys suck.

There is not ONE vet WR on the roster Mahomes wants to throw to.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

It's amazing that people want to move on from MVS and then have sticker shock at 15 million a year.

If they sign Hollywood at 15 he's the only WR getting paid real money as Rice is cost-controlled and they also need to add a top pick at WR who will also be cost controlled.

15 million plus draft pick salaries for your top 3 WR's is nothing.

Sticker shock at someone who's done **** all for the last 2 years.

I'd rather they throw $25M at someone who has actually produced.

****, I'd rather they get aggressive in the draft and bring James and Toney back than throw money at big ass question marks.