Boy it looks like the Chiefs really don't like their CB room

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Here are the facts

1. We have the best DB coach/developer in the league.

2. We have a legendary DC who knows how to scheme things up to protect the db's if needed.

3. Three of our corners (Mcduffie, Watson and Williams) have played in several huge games including AFC championships and Superbowls. And have not been embarrassed most of the time. Even yhough they have faced elite qb's and offenses.

4. We don't know what we have in Christian Rolland-Wallace, Nazeeh Johnson or Eric Scott yet. But many believe CRW is the second best slot guy on the roster after Mcduffie and Nazeeh and Eric have traits that could be moulded into a decent player as the season progresses hopefully.

5. Next Thursday will be the first time our top defense will take the field. Until we see the whole squad together it's futile to judge it. Watson, Williams and Nazeeh never played with Reid, Bolton, Jones etc in the limited minutes they had this preseason and that matters imo.

So my point is let's wait and see what our secondary does when all the best players are on the field together.

There is some truth in this post.
I have a feeling our DB lineup will depend on the team and the WRs that we are facing. We all know that Nazeeh Johnson was doing great until his knee injury. If he can get back to where he was before that injury it will change things. I think we will see McDuffie on the opposing team's best WR and the rest of the CBs will line up accordingly.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Here are the facts

1. We have Mahomes.

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Fixed it for you.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Here are the facts

1. We have the best DB coach/developer in the league.

2. We have a legendary DC who knows how to scheme things up to protect the db's if needed.

3. Three of our corners (Mcduffie, Watson and Williams) have played in several huge games including AFC championships and Superbowls. And have not been embarrassed most of the time. Even though they have faced elite qb's and offenses.

4. We don't know what we have in Christian Rolland-Wallace, Nazeeh Johnson or Eric Scott yet. But many believe CRW is the second best slot guy on the roster after Mcduffie and Nazeeh and Eric have traits that could be moulded into a decent player as the season progresses hopefully.

5. Next Thursday will be the first time our top defense will take the field. Until we see the whole squad together it's futile to judge it. Watson, Williams and Nazeeh never played with Reid, Bolton, Jones etc in the limited minutes they had this preseason and that matters imo.

So my point is let's wait and see what our secondary does when all the best players are on the field together.

#5 is actually a really good point. Justin Reid and Nick Bolton haven't played. Chris Jones hardly played. We really haven't seen what this defense is going to look like this season. And then Omenihu will be back sometime around midseason.

[RealSNR]

If the Chiefs were legit concerned about whichever CB was on the field opposite McDuffie, then they would have signed Stephon Gilmore.

He was there. He's got tread left on the tires. The Vikings got him for one year. We could have done the same.

Nope. Let him go play somewhere else.

We'll be fine.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

With the caveat that I don’t think it’s an either or, I’m not convinced McDuffie will ever be the full lockdown guy Sneed was last year on WR1s (but that doesn’t mean he can’t have a better career holistically). And I would’ve preferred to go a touch more all in for the 3-peat and let Sneed play on that tag.

I think leaving McDuffie singled up on Reek in a playoff game tells Buehler445 all he needs to know. I LOVE watching Sneed play. I'm a total douche homer for that dude. But I'm good with McDuffie. I think the problem may be on the other side. I'd argue McDuffie is in the same ZIP code as Sneed, but whoever they line up on the other boundary isn't in the same ZIP Code as McDuffie.

What the 2023 crew brought with McDuffie and Sneed on the outside was a shitload of flexibility. If McDuffie/whoever takes some stuff off the table, I can see why Spags can be fussy, because after you've driven a Bentley, it's hard to get back into a Taurus. But I'm confident Spags with a Taurus can get the job done.

Originally Posted by RealSNR

If the Chiefs were legit concerned about whichever CB was on the field opposite McDuffie, then they would have signed Stephon Gilmore.

He was there. He's got tread left on the tires. The Vikings got him for one year. We could have done the same.

Nope. Let him go play somewhere else.

We'll be fine.

Largely I agree.

The underrated part of what Spags brings to the table is scheming to avoid getting raped. Drawing up and executing awesome blitzes on big downs is great, but he does a great job of understanding his group and what he can get away with and where he needs to protect.

Dude is one hell of a coordinator. But for what stands out to me is not what he'll be remembered for. Sutton could draw up some neat shit, but he also had dudes demolishing us down the field or god ****ing Brady throwing to Edelman on 3rd and 8 with a 10 yard cushion all ****ing game long. (FUUUUUUUCK). Spags is known for the leverage plays, but I'm going to remember him for the whole package, and getting us in position for leverage.

I think where Spags wants to improve is trying to prevent having to cover for a dude.

Nice call on Gilmore. **** all things Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bag, but the dude can play.

[kozzman555]

I think Veach is as focused as he is on the DB room this off-season because he anticipates teams throwing the ball against us much more due to the improvements in our offense. This season won't be 20pt slugfests, but high flying offense and potential blow outs if the opposing team can't keep up. That's why they treated the DT room like "meh good enough with CJ95" but we are really looking at our DB's with a microscope. It's not a cause for concern, it's an early sign of how good Veach sees our offense being.

[493rd]

Not likely the D is as good as it was last year. Also not likely that the O is nearly as bad as it was. If the defense can be mid-range and the offense is top 5 we’ll be fine. Hopefully the pass rush is there because that’ll mask a suspect secondary. McDuffie is the only dude that can be trusted.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

The Defense was going to take a step back.

Well, this is that step back. I think all you can do is hope it's not too much of a weakness. If it is, then yeah, maybe hope you can make a deal.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

The Defense was going to take a step back.

Well, this is that step back. I think all you can do is hope it's not too much of a weakness. If it is, then yeah, maybe hope you can make a deal.

Outside of last year how often has KC had a truly elite secondary in the Mahomes era?

[In58men]

BAH GAWD IT SURE DOESN’T

[New World Order]

Mcduffie, Watson and Williams are plenty good enough

Wbf

[Chiefsfan1]

I think if it were something they were really worried about as opposed to just trying to get better at the back end of the group if they see someone they like more, Veach would've traded for those CBs (guaranteeing they get them, like they did with Cam Thomas) instead of trying to grab them off the waiver wire when they're last in the pecking order. If it were about trying to get better at CB2, they'd probably go get a vet CB. I also doubt they thought they'd get all three CBs they put in waiver claims for, so maybe that was an approach to see if they could get one of them, and they did.

[JPH83]

We're going to be worse in the secondary and it could be more than I originally thought. I think it'll be a reasonable step back that's offset by the offense.

[New World Order]

This team feels exactly like the 2019 team with a better pass rush

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by New World Order

This team feels exactly like the 2019 team with a better pass rush

...and better O line, better LB's, better HB's, better D line (by January,) and a much deeper safety room.