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[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Did you watch how many times Wilson stood in last night and took a SHOT to get the ball downfield?

I'm ****ing done with "Mahomes doesn't trust the OL"

You're an NFL quarterback. You're gonna get hit. Put your big boy pants on and play the position.

Besides, as was noted in the article, his indecision is GETTING him blasted about half the time. Throw the damn ball on time and you can avoid a bunch of these shots you're taking.

I mostly agree with you except for one thing. Mahomes has been highly effective in situations where the play is breaking down. I'm not suggesting that it's not a problem, but defenses often make big mistakes when Mahomes moves out of the pocket.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by RedinTexas

I mostly agree with you except for one thing. Mahomes has been highly effective in situations where the play is breaking down. I'm not suggesting that it's not a problem, but defenses often make big mistakes when Mahomes moves out of the pocket.

Yeah, that's what I was saying above. You take the good with the bad. He makes more good plays than bad when trying to do something special.

We probably have to wait until Mahomes is 35+ when he will stop trusting his escape ability and focus more on traditional QB mechanics.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RedinTexas

I mostly agree with you except for one thing. Mahomes has been highly effective in situations where the play is breaking down. I'm not suggesting that it's not a problem, but defenses often make big mistakes when Mahomes moves out of the pocket.

Okay, but teams are now BANKING on that tendency from him. And doing a fantastic job of using it against him.

Goddamn Chargers found the "Blueprint" much more than Fangio ever did. This pressure/flow shit they found is a proooooooblem and of course other teams are now copying it against us.

And the only answer to it is for Mahomes to stand in there and fire. And of course, Smith's gonna have to suck a hell of a lot less to allow for that.

Right now opposing defense are creating chaos designed to give the appearance of a play breaking down when in reality it's mostly just bait designed to get him off his spot and play sped up. And he's taking that bait just about every time.

He's gotta stop. And if they start playing him honest again, he can get back to that. But right now they're using his instincts against him.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Okay, but teams are now BANKING on that tendency from him. And doing a fantastic job of using it against him.

Goddamn Chargers found the "Blueprint" much more than Fangio ever did. This pressure/flow shit they found is a proooooooblem and of course other teams are now copying it against us.

And the only answer to it is for Mahomes to stand in there and fire. And of course, Smith's gonna have to suck a hell of a lot less to allow for that.

Right now opposing defense are creating chaos designed to give the appearance of a play breaking down when in reality it's mostly just bait designed to get him off his spot and play sped up. And he's taking that bait just about every time.

He's gotta stop. And if they start playing him honest again, he can get back to that. But right now they're using his instincts against him.

Fangio lol

I remember when the Eagles hired Fangio as a consultant for the SB and we put like 35 on those frauds

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Okay, but teams are now BANKING on that tendency from him. And doing a fantastic job of using it against him.

Goddamn Chargers found the "Blueprint" much more than Fangio ever did. This pressure/flow shit they found is a proooooooblem and of course other teams are now copying it against us.

And the only answer to it is for Mahomes to stand in there and fire. And of course, Smith's gonna have to suck a hell of a lot less to allow for that.

Right now opposing defense are creating chaos designed to give the appearance of a play breaking down when in reality it's mostly just bait designed to get him off his spot and play sped up. And he's taking that bait just about every time.

He's gotta stop. And if they start playing him honest again, he can get back to that. But right now they're using his instincts against him.

Great analysis.


During the game I remember thinking at some point, “BUF seems to be doing to Pat what we’ve been doing to Lamar.” Not sure I actually posted the thought, but I remember thinking it.

The rest, the bad mechanics, sped up clock, poor pocket navigation, etc. I don’t know. Maybe the sprained ankle has been more of an issue mentally than anyone knows? But that just doesn’t seem to explain the unwillingness to pull the trigger on some pretty basic throws, like that one for Worthy running straight up the sideline.

Still will always believe that Pat will somehow fix his shit at some point, but it feels like a lot of shit this time. Hope I’m wrong.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Still will always believe that Pat will somehow fix his shit at some point, but it feels like a lot of shit this time. Hope I’m wrong.

I don't actually think it's a lot of different things he has to fix. I think the majority of it is between his ears. I think it's primarily a trust issue. He's not trusting his teammates, and he sure as hell isn't trusting what made him so great - his instincts to stand in the pocket and make the play. That's all JMHO.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

I don't actually think it's a lot of different things he has to fix. I think the majority of it is between his ears. I think it's primarily a trust issue. He's not trusting his teammates, and he sure as hell isn't trusting what made him so great - his instincts to stand in the pocket and make the play. That's all JMHO.

And then there's his inaccuracy and his lack of throwing fundamentals. Are those tied to his trust issues? I don't know. But they definitely exist and are a big problem at the moment and they need fixing.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Okay, but teams are now BANKING on that tendency from him. And doing a fantastic job of using it against him.

Goddamn Chargers found the "Blueprint" much more than Fangio ever did. This pressure/flow shit they found is a proooooooblem and of course other teams are now copying it against us.

Yeah, unfortunately with the news of the Harbaugh hiring I was worried they had found their best coach since Marty, and so far they’re shaping up to be a massive pain in the ass in the Harbaugh era.