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Old 02-09-2025, 11:24 PM  
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Does Phase 3 of the Mahomes era start tomorrow?

Phase 1: Legion of Zoom

2018-2021:

1 Super Bowl Championship
1 MVP
1 Super Bowl MVP
2 AFC Championships
4 AFC Championship Appearances

Phase 2: Defense + Mahomes Wins Championships

2022-2024:

2 Super Bowl Championships
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2 Super Bowl MVP’s
3 AFC Championships
3 AFC Championship Appearances

Phase 3: 2025-?

In Phase 1 and the Proposed Phase 2 (credit to irafreak for the name) Mahomes has made the AFC Championship in all 7 seasons he’s started and generally been regarded as one of the greatest who have ever taken the field.

Going into next year, Xavier Worthy showed he’s ready to be a deep threat and Rashee Rice is coming back after being the top wide receiver in the league before his injury. We also need a left tackle, may be letting Smith and Bolton go, will need to reckon with the fact that those we drafted to start Phase 2 need second contacts, and perhaps most importantly, may be saying goodbye to Travis Kelce.

Does Phase 3 start tomorrow?

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Old 02-10-2025, 04:51 AM   #46
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It needs to be a little bit of phase 1 and 2. As long as we have spags we ain’t going back to the Sutton disaster defense. We can get away with “great enough” which is better than “good enough.”

Team needs to become an offense team again. He’s a little ahead of schedule because he’s kind of more the conservative qb he needs to be. I just wish we could get a few more years to just sling it while he’s in his prime. But way more importantly we just need a supporting cast where he can stay protected and have options to get rid of the ball much quicker.
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Old 02-10-2025, 04:57 AM   #47
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It needs to be a little bit of phase 1 and 2. As long as we have spags we ain’t going back to the Sutton disaster defense. We can get away with “great enough” which is better than “good enough.”

Team needs to become an offense team again. He’s a little ahead of schedule because he’s kind of more the conservative qb he needs to be. I just wish we could get a few more years to just sling it while he’s in his prime. But way more importantly we just need a supporting cast where he can stay protected and have options to get rid of the ball much quicker.
Yep, I hope we always revert to offense first from this point. Or at least during the rebuild, which feels necessary with so many FA. The priority should be:

- Sort the OL and especially LT
- Provide adequate weapons, including another RB
- Fix the DL

If we can't do it all, but we manage the first, we'll still be in a better position.
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Old 02-10-2025, 05:11 AM   #48
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I know it’s more emotional than anything but kelce is still a lifeblood of the franchise. He was criminally underpaid for years so I wouldn’t be mad if we let him have the farewell tour he deserves. Just renegotiate his contract into signing bonus. He’s gets paid what he deserves and we can spread it out some dead cap. He may no longer be a $17m TE but he’s got plenty of juice to be a supporting player in an offense that relies way less on him.
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Old 02-10-2025, 05:15 AM   #49
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It is wishful thinking but I keep hoping that Mahomes will one day take a one year discount to build the team around him. It really feels like he’s been open to giving back some salary but didn’t want to bring the qb market down. Now everyone else got paid and he doesn’t have to feel shame. Maybe a Super Bowl blowout and getting an extra year with his best friend will be some motivation to do it.
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Old 02-10-2025, 05:21 AM   #50
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Last time we lost 1, we went and won 2 in 3 years. I'd take that again.

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Old 02-10-2025, 05:27 AM   #51
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Last time we lost 1, we went and won 2 in 3 years. I'd take that again.

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We’ve seen that when we end the season with a hole, veach is an absolute demon in the offseason about patching it up. The last time our OL embarrassed us in the Super Bowl we went out and flipped our entire OL around overnight. We need to trust in veach.
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Old 02-10-2025, 05:30 AM   #52
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Last time we lost 1, we went and won 2 in 3 years. I'd take that again.

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Trading Tyreek and getting the draft capital/salary cap flexibility was a critical part of launching Phase 2.

It might take a similar move to finally solve the LT situation, and replenish the offense.
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Old 02-10-2025, 05:33 AM   #53
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It is wishful thinking but I keep hoping that Mahomes will one day take a one year discount to build the team around him. It really feels like he’s been open to giving back some salary but didn’t want to bring the qb market down. Now everyone else got paid and he doesn’t have to feel shame. Maybe a Super Bowl blowout and getting an extra year with his best friend will be some motivation to do it.
When you spend $20M per year on a guy like Jawaan Taylor, it is hard to have complete trust in the front office to make the correct choices on how to spend the money. They've tried with the OL, and can't seem to hit on the right OL guys either through draft or free agency/trade.

I think it's on the front office more than anything else. Need better evaluation in the Draft and Free Agency. Need more aggressive salary cap management, like what Roseman has been doing in Philly for many years. Lean into the void year stuff instead of shying away from it.
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Old 02-10-2025, 05:53 AM   #54
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Trading Tyreek and getting the draft capital/salary cap flexibility was a critical part of launching Phase 2.

It might take a similar move to finally solve the LT situation, and replenish the offense.
i agree but i struggle to see where we make this type of move. I actually believe Jones and Kelce retiring could be the key to this though. I would also get rid of Taylor. That would free up close 75m in cap space.
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Old 02-10-2025, 06:37 AM   #55
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The next phase should involve getting a LT who doesn’t fail horribly after the 2nd week of the season leaving a hole the organization tried to fix with duct tape all season
Nailed it. If they can only fix one thing, it needs to be this. LT was the biggest question mark going into the season, and it continued all season, and came off the wheels in the Super Bowl.
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Old 02-10-2025, 06:37 AM   #56
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I think if Jared Wiley was all that he would've played this year because we desperately needed a "Laporta" type of TE especially since Kelce was severely slowing down just making possession catches and then falling down all year. Noah Gray to me is just average.
He's on IR, man.
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Old 02-10-2025, 06:38 AM   #57
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i agree but i struggle to see where we make this type of move. I actually believe Jones and Kelce retiring could be the key to this though. I would also get rid of Taylor. That would free up close 75m in cap space.
Getting rid of Taylor COSTS over $37m in dead cap, so no.
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Old 02-10-2025, 06:42 AM   #58
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The main problem is the OL. Specifically LT.

There's shit available in free agency: has-beens, broke dicks, and guys that never panned out.

And apparently, it's a real light draft in LT's, too.

So, I don't know, man.
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Unfortunately we may be looking at a couple years of retooling. They weren't bad draft classes overall but missing on FAU and possibly Suamataia couldn't have been more apparent last night. Luckily the Chiefs have the QB and WRs more or less figured out for the short and long term so we can allocate the vast majority of resources to both lines of scrimmage.
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The main problem is the OL. Specifically LT.

There's shit available in free agency: has-beens, broke dicks, and guys that never panned out.

And apparently, it's a real light draft in LT's, too.

So, I don't know, man.
Is there another Orlando Brown situation brewing somewhere out there, a trade target we would value more than the team he’s currently on?

BV has to get real creative and get this fixed.

Afford Mahomes the mental comfort of a solid left tackle, OBJ level, and he will be back atop the league as an MVP winner with what our young WRs have shown so far.
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