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Old 03-10-2025, 11:46 AM   #1
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Gonna be honest here. Not great tape from him. Reminds me a little of Orlando struggling with outside speed at times but handling bull rushes well.

Not perfect but he has a floor and it’s way higher than anything we had last year. I would take Orlando Brown Jr back over the shit we’ve had.

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Old 03-10-2025, 11:56 AM   #2
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Gonna be honest here. Not great tape from him. Reminds me a little of Orlando struggling with outside speed at times but handling bull rushes well.

Not perfect but he has a floor and it’s way higher than anything we had last year. I would take Orlando Brown Jr back over the shit we’ve had.
What you don't see is him getting destroyed and losing quick. That's great.
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Old 03-10-2025, 12:03 PM   #3
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Gonna be honest here. Not great tape from him. Reminds me a little of Orlando struggling with outside speed at times but handling bull rushes well.

Not perfect but he has a floor and it’s way higher than anything we had last year. I would take Orlando Brown Jr back over the shit we’ve had.
That's because deep up the arc is a really piss-poor deficiency of Patrick Mahomes and it stresses the **** out of his tackles. This video is pretty well picture-perfect of how OTs are trained to ride guys around a normal arc. It will be a learning curve for any OT to deal with Pat.
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That's because deep up the arc is a really piss-poor deficiency of Patrick Mahomes and it stresses the **** out of his tackles. This video is pretty well picture-perfect of how OTs are trained to ride guys around a normal arc. It will be a learning curve for any OT to deal with Pat.
Maybe if more people say it, people will start listening instead of just reflexively defending him.

Man he makes it hard on his OTs.
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Old 03-10-2025, 01:10 PM   #5
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Maybe if more people say it, people will start listening instead of just reflexively defending him.

Man he makes it hard on his OTs.
Not allowed to call out Patrick on here some dumbass tried to use his QBR as a metric to prove his decision making wasn't poor last year
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Maybe if more people say it, people will start listening instead of just reflexively defending him.

Man he makes it hard on his OTs.
Didn’t seem to be as much of an issue in 2022. I would imagine having 5 LT’s in 2 years certainly doesn’t help though
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Old 03-10-2025, 01:38 PM   #7
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Didn’t seem to be as much of an issue in 2022. I would imagine having 5 LT’s in 2 years certainly doesn’t help though
No it wasn't.

That's the thing I noticed about him almost immediately in 2023 though (and, again, got railed on for saying it).

And it certainly got no better in 2024.

It's an issue that has to be addressed if he wants to get back to that premier form. He's making life much harder on himself these days than he used to. Sure - fine, blame the OT situation. It's as good a reason as any. But the critical thing is that we at least acknowledge that it's been a thing.

If he's going to get back to where he was, his playstyle needs to get back to where it was as well. And the shift from OBJr to Smith shouldn't have yielded that kind of massive step back.

A good chunk of it is just on PM.
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No it wasn't.

That's the thing I noticed about him almost immediately in 2023 though (and, again, got railed on for saying it).

And it certainly got no better in 2024.

It's an issue that has to be addressed if he wants to get back to that premier form. He's making life much harder on himself these days than he used to. Sure - fine, blame the OT situation. It's as good a reason as any. But the critical thing is that we at least acknowledge that it's been a thing.

If he's going to get back to where he was, his playstyle needs to get back to where it was as well. And the shift from OBJr to Smith shouldn't have yielded that kind of massive step back.

A good chunk of it is just on PM.

Nagy became the OC.
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Nagy became the OC.
Exactly. And his stink is all over the offense.
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Didn’t seem to be as much of an issue in 2022. I would imagine having 5 LT’s in 2 years certainly doesn’t help though
Lot's of change at WR and dropped passes and lot's of rollover at RB too. I do think Mahomes put too much pressure on himself to achieve the 3-peat as well.
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Gonna be honest here. Not great tape from him. Reminds me a little of Orlando struggling with outside speed at times but handling bull rushes well.

Not perfect but he has a floor and it’s way higher than anything we had last year. I would take Orlando Brown Jr back over the shit we’ve had.
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Gonna be honest here. Not great tape from him. Reminds me a little of Orlando struggling with outside speed at times but handling bull rushes well.

Not perfect but he has a floor and it’s way higher than anything we had last year. I would take Orlando Brown Jr back over the shit we’ve had.
I’m actually encouraged. He’s got a squat build that should keep him from getting abused by bull rushes. His technique overall looks pretty good. Very little lunging or overextending trying to compensate against speed rushes.

I really like the rep at :50. That’s good hand fighting, IMO. Wanya and Kingsley would have whiffed against that quick swat from the EDGE, probably been beaten immediately for a quick sack. Instead, Moore swats back but doesn’t overextend and is able to ride the defender upfield, leaving the pocket in tact.

Mahomes will have to be disciplined in not dropping too deep. That means LG will be extremely important. If he doesn’t trust the LG, he’ll drift backward and make Moore look worse than he is.
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Gonna be honest here. Not great tape from him. Reminds me a little of Orlando struggling with outside speed at times but handling bull rushes well.

Not perfect but he has a floor and it’s way higher than anything we had last year. I would take Orlando Brown Jr back over the shit we’ve had.
In about half of these plays, the 49ers have a RB lined up right behind Moore. Especially at the end of these clips. The first half of these clips are more like what Andy does in leaving the LT on an island. Now the RB doesn't really "help" Moore out, but maybe gives the illusion he is going to help?

And maybe that's where we need to go heading into this season. Scheme it so we have a TE or RB lined up that can, at the minimum, give the illusion they are going to help. Then actually help if the situation calls for it without having to throw the whole offensive system into disarray when the LT can not handle one-on-one situations like last season?
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Gonna be honest here. Not great tape from him. Reminds me a little of Orlando struggling with outside speed at times but handling bull rushes well.

Not perfect but he has a floor and it’s way higher than anything we had last year. I would take Orlando Brown Jr back over the shit we’ve had.
Some of those reps are pretty rough.. He’s going to have trouble with some of the AFC speed guys.. Doesn’t look any better than what Patrick has been dealing with where he has to bail out of the pocket….. Hopefully he gets better..
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Doesn’t look any better than what Patrick has been dealing with


If you break down the numbers Moore would give up 37 pressures and 4 sacks in an entire season.

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