*****The Jalen Royals Thread*****

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by fuzzy

It's Utah State! I get it. People see 6ft 205 and 4.42 and they start to get very excited. Nobody is pulling for him more than me. But he fell to the 4th round for a reason. He is considered a raw, project receiver with good size and speed. Scouts said his route running was not refined.

The good news is he says he watches Davante Adams. And he needs to continue doing so because his route running needs to get a hell of a lot better if he's going to start in the NFL.

That makes me happy. Everyone billed Skyy Moore as the best route runner since Jerry Rice.

[fuzzy]

Originally Posted by BWillie

That makes me happy. Everyone billed Skyy Moore as the best route runner since Jerry Rice.

His scouting report was "moderate burst to separate coming out of breaks". "Routes require more crisp angles".

Moore was the dumbest pick of Veach's tenure.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by BWillie

That makes me happy. Everyone billed Skyy Moore as the best route runner since Jerry Rice.

Who the hell said that?

I remember watching Sky coming out and saying he had no +NFL WR traits and that included route running.

The only positive I saw from Sky coming out was a nice release at the LOS and that if he was going to succeed in the NFL it would involve winning in the first 5 yards.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Who the hell said that?

I remember watching Sky coming out and saying he had no +NFL WR traits and that included route running.

The only positive I saw from Sky coming out was a nice release at the LOS and that if he was going to succeed in the NFL it would involve winning in the first 5 yards.

His number one trait that kept popping up in nfl draft scouting reports is how good of a route runner he is.

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...esternMichigan

As it turns out he's one of the worst route runners Ive ever seen.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by BWillie

His number one trait that kept popping up in nfl draft scouting reports is how good of a route runner he is.

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...esternMichigan

As it turns out he's one of the worst route runners Ive ever seen.

That site looks like it is made from a dude's blog in his basement.


Could not even afford basic web design.

[RunKC]

Skyy’s best trait was his 10 yard split which was an amazing 1.46. That’s top 10 among WR’s in combine history. He also had enough size to play outside. Route running was just part of it.

Unfortunately that draft was total garbage at WR after the top 3 in the class.

Rice and Royals have similar traits that they looked for in Skyy (size/10 yd explosion) but they appear to actually be good at football.

Oh well. Can’t hit on them all. Skyy was a miss but Rice and Worthy are hits.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Skyy’s best trait was his 10 yard split which was an amazing 1.46. That’s top 10 among WR’s in combine history. He also had enough size to play outside. Route running was just part of it.

Unfortunately that draft was total garbage at WR after the top 3 in the class.

Rice and Royals have similar traits that they looked for in Skyy (size/10 yd explosion) but they appear to actually be good at football.

Oh well. Can’t hit on them all. Skyy was a miss but Rice and Worthy are hits.

That is what is puzzling about Moore because in his first two seasons PFF and other analytical sites would always say how much yards of separation he would get. Which makes sense as he is quick off the snap. However as we have come to know he has an awful football IQ and is a horrible route runner. He gets open and doesn't stay open. Or will just whiff. Or will find some weird ass reason to **** up.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by BWillie

That is what is puzzling about Moore because in his first two seasons PFF and other analytical sites would always say how much yards of separation he would get. Which makes sense as he is quick off the snap. However as we have come to know he has an awful football IQ and is a horrible route runner. He gets open and doesn't stay open. Or will just whiff. Or will find some weird ass reason to **** up.

I think Moore did fool people a bit.


Usually guys that run the route well technically do well in the NFL but not always. Moore looked fine as far as what running a route is supposed to look like but in the NFL you need to be able to set up the corner.

Moore could not do that.


You need to accelerate or snap out of your break.


Moore could not do that.


You need to be strong on the route you are running.


Moore is not.


Recall when we played Green Bay and Keisean Nixon was covering him. Nixon was running Moore's predictable route for him...

Keisean Nixon gets the INT!

📺: #KCvsGB on NBC
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/CQH1cx3gZS pic.twitter.com/axlUGsIoFM

— NFL (@NFL) December 4, 2023

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I think Moore did fool people a bit.


Usually guys that run the route well technically do well in the NFL but not always. Moore looked fine as far as what running a route is supposed to look like but in the NFL you need to be able to set up the corner.

Moore could not do that.


You need to accelerate or snap out of your break.


Moore could not do that.


You need to be strong on the route you are running.


Moore is not.


Recall when we played Green Bay and Keisean Nixon was covering him. Nixon was running Moore's predictable route for him...

Keisean Nixon gets the INT!

📺: #KCvsGB on NBC
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/CQH1cx3gZS pic.twitter.com/axlUGsIoFM

— NFL (@NFL) December 4, 2023

Sky's dumber than dogshit, Rashee as a rookie had to tell Moore where to line up correctly.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BWillie

That is what is puzzling about Moore because in his first two seasons PFF and other analytical sites would always say how much yards of separation he would get. Which makes sense as he is quick off the snap. However as we have come to know he has an awful football IQ and is a horrible route runner. He gets open and doesn't stay open. Or will just whiff. Or will find some weird ass reason to **** up.

That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.

I've tried to tell y'all this, but if you're getting separation AFTER you're supposed to be getting it, how MUCH of it you're getting doesn't matter. Nobody's looking.

Moore NEVER ran his routes on time. He absolutely refused to run a clean, direct route. He was always trying to play playground ball out there and throw wiggle into his routes. So he was still looking to set up his break when he was supposed to be breaking into space. By the time he made a move, Mahomes had moved on.

Which is why Mahomes stopped even looking his way. Had he occasionally been where he was supposed to be, when he was supposed to be there, PM would've kept looking at him at least. But he didn't. And that was the why of it.

Yards of separation means ****-all. A foot of separation RIGHT at the precise time/place is exponentially more useful than 3 yards of separation when the QB is looking at a different route because when he looked at you, you were out there foot-firing.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.

I've tried to tell y'all this, but if you're getting separation AFTER you're supposed to be getting it, how MUCH of it you're getting doesn't matter. Nobody's looking.

Moore NEVER ran his routes on time. He absolutely refused to run a clean, direct route. He was always trying to play playground ball out there and throw wiggle into his routes. So he was still looking to set up his break when he was supposed to be breaking into space. By the time he made a move, Mahomes had moved on.

Which is why Mahomes stopped even looking his way. Had he occasionally been where he was supposed to be, when he was supposed to be there, PM would've kept looking at him at least. But he didn't. And that was the why of it.

Yards of separation means ****-all. A foot of separation RIGHT at the precise time/place is exponentially more useful than 3 yards of separation when the QB is looking at a different route because when he looked at you, you were out there foot-firing.

I think it's like most stats: Useful in context, but difficult to keep in context.

It's also kind of why Hunter Renfrow has been out of the league. Shifty little slot who can do some crazy stuff, but struggles being "on time" in the offense. If he's not freelancing, he's not productive, type of deal.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.

Drake London had bad yards of separation and I thought it would bomb him and lol he was the #5 fantasy WR last season

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That tells you more about 'yards of separation' as a meaningful stat than it does Skyy Moore.

I've tried to tell y'all this, but if you're getting separation AFTER you're supposed to be getting it, how MUCH of it you're getting doesn't matter. Nobody's looking.

Moore NEVER ran his routes on time. He absolutely refused to run a clean, direct route. He was always trying to play playground ball out there and throw wiggle into his routes. So he was still looking to set up his break when he was supposed to be breaking into space. By the time he made a move, Mahomes had moved on.

Which is why Mahomes stopped even looking his way. Had he occasionally been where he was supposed to be, when he was supposed to be there, PM would've kept looking at him at least. But he didn't. And that was the why of it.

Yards of separation means ****-all. A foot of separation RIGHT at the precise time/place is exponentially more useful than 3 yards of separation when the QB is looking at a different route because when he looked at you, you were out there foot-firing.

Great post