National Media starts the bashing. It's Trent's fault now.

[Taco John]

It was only a matter of time before the real Green started showing his true face.

Unfortunately, your offensive line is no longer looking like the best in football. It appears that Roaf is slow off the blocks, and Welbourn is a virnstile with elbows...

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Taco John

It was only a matter of time before the real Green started showing his true face.

Unfortunately, your offensive line is no longer looking like the best in football. It appears that Roaf is slow off the blocks, and Welbourn is a virnstile with elbows...

Now you're just being mean. Green has started each of the last two seasons off slowly in the first month. He has a breakout game and then hits his stride for the rest of the season.

I don't think Roaf has lost anything, either. He had a fine game against Denver and got beat on a few plays against the Panthers. He WAS going up against Mike Rucker for crying out loud.

At least we know Trent Green is never going to throw any left-handed interceptions.

[donkhater]

Other than that sack in Denver, I don't think Trent's played badly. He could play better for sure, but he is what he is. With a good running game, O-Line and practice with his receivers, he'll play as well as anyone.

Unfourtunately, if Saunders doesn't call for Priest to get the ball, Welborn or Roaf struggle a bit in pass protection and no receiver other than Hall and an undrafted rookie is healthy for a whole month he will play poorly. I do think that is a surprise to anyone here.

[Gaz]

There are many factors contributing to our lack of Offense so far:
• [2] good Defenses [Denver & Carolina]. Houston does not have a Denver/Carolina-caliber Defense. A ray of hope for our struggling Offense.

• Decimated WR corps. We must find a way to get Hall and young Mr. Smith involved. Young and raw he may be, but Smith still has the speed we lose with Kennison out of the game.

• Disappointing efforts from Welbourn [game #1] & Roaf [game #2] [See item #1]. Welbourn was better in game #2. hopefully Roaf will be better in game #3.

• Questionable play-calling. Saunders was prone to being overly-tricky on occasion last season. After the first drive against Carolina, the play-calling disappointed me.

Except for the bonehead 23-yard sack he took against Denver, I cannot fault Green’s play all that much.

xoxo~
Gaz
Disressed to see so many independent variables in the equation.

[KC Kings]

Originally Posted by Gaz

• Decimated WR corps. We must find a way to get Hall and young Mr. Smith involved. Young and raw he may be, but Smith still has the speed we lose with Kennison out of the game.

You can tell who already bought the Star Wars DVD release. Gaz is starting to sound like Yoda.

[Gaz]

htismaqe summed it up in another thread, but I will repeat the salient points here.

Our Defense is new. No one should have expected them to dominate anyone right off the bat [if our roster allows them to dominate at all].

Even so, the Defense showed signs of improvement. The forced some punts, stopped several runs for negative yardage, got [2] turnovers and even returned one of them into a touchdown [which, by the way, matched the TD production of the “high-octane” Offense]. They are not as good now as they will be later in the season. The incremental improvement will continue. Certainly not as fast as we would like, but it would be foolish to expect anything else.

The Offense, on the other hand, has taken several giant steps backwards. It is essentially the same Offense that tore up the NFL last season. And yet they have done nothing [with the glaring exception of a heroic individual performance from Holes in week #1]. Ten points from the hottest Offense in the NFL? They repeatedly gave the ball to the Panthers, sending the Chiefs D back onto the field. No wonder the Carolina front four was fresh. They did not have to play all that much. Our O would run four or five plays and then give up the ball again. The Chiefs Offense ran a grand total of [4] plays in the entire 3rd quarter.

There is only one segment of the Chiefs team that hideously under-performed last Sunday. The Offense. Something is hard-broke there. That is where our concern should be.

xoxo~
Gaz
Putting the blame squarely where it belongs.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Respectfully Gaz, I'll disagree on the D. The Panthers were minus their two best players. Still the Panthers tore this D a new chute.

The O got 4 plays in the 3rd because the D failed miserably in that quarter. Yes I realize that Warfield got the INT for a score.

But what happened on the ensuing Carolina possesion? After a real (expletive) excessive celebration call, Carolina went 56 yards in 8 plays for the TD and the lead. Game over. The D gave us a lead, then gave it right back, through no fault of the O.

In the 4th Quarter The Chiefs had drives of 7 plays (punt), 1 play (fumble) 10 plays (INT) 4 plays (lost on downs) and 1 play (game over). 7 minutes of total possesion.

Forgive me for expecting better out of defense that was playing AT HOME in the season opener, against a team that was without it's two best players.

I'm discouraged.

On the offensive side, I feel the game swung on 2 decisions.

1) to not try for a first down on 4th and 1 late in the 2nd with the best player in the league in the backfield. Could have had 3 more shots to get it in the EZ or shortened the kick.

2) failing to give Holmes more touches overall.

Just plain stupid IMO.

OK, I'm done. On to the Texans.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Respectfully Gaz, I'll disagree on the D. The Panthers were minus their two best players. Still the Panthers tore this D a new chute.

The O got 4 plays in the 3rd because the D failed miserably in that quarter. Yes I realize that Warfield got the INT for a score.

But what happened on the ensuing Carolina possesion? After a real (expletive) excessive celebration call, Carolina went 56 yards in 8 plays for the TD and the lead. Game over. The D gave us a lead, then gave it right back, through no fault of the O.

I agree William.
However, if the O had peformed at the high level that we had come to expect in the first half, and they had put some points on the board, then that drive in the 3rd Qtr would have been meaningless

If the Chiefs O had put some points on the board in the 1st half, the Panthers might have had to come out in a different mindset on O, and maybe that drive doesn't happen.

I would expect where we would see marked improvement on D quickly would be in situations where the opposition has to play catch up, and Gun can let loose the hounds.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Taco John

It was only a matter of time before the real Green started showing his true face.

Unfortunately, your offensive line is no longer looking like the best in football. It appears that Roaf is slow off the blocks, and Welbourn is a virnstile with elbows...

Yeah Jake plummer is such a stud as well, it would help if the WR's don't drop half the shit and get open. I think green will turn it around.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Taco John

It was only a matter of time before the real Green started showing his true face.

Unfortunately, your offensive line is no longer looking like the best in football. It appears that Roaf is slow off the blocks, and Welbourn is a virnstile with elbows...

Oh please. Am I hearing a donkey fan talk about a QB showing their true self? Will the real Jake Plummer please stand up?

[GreatBarryWordFire]

Grossman had a mediocre day and won. Boller threw for 98 yards and won. Leftwich threw for 120 and won. Hasselbeck threw for 140 and won. Carson Palmer threw for less than 150 and won.

They're just looking for a new story. Green isn't far from the problem. No matter which way you slice it, it's still the defense.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by GreatBarryWordFire

Grossman had a mediocre day and won. Boller threw for 98 yards and won. Leftwich threw for 120 and won. Hasselbeck threw for 140 and won. Carson Palmer threw for less than 150 and won.

They're just looking for a new story. Green isn't far from the problem. No matter which way you slice it, it's still the defense.

None of those guys (except Hasselbeck) are expected to lead an offense to high-scoring days.

How many turnovers did those guys commit? Trent had two on Sunday.

Our defense wasn't really a problem until the fourth quarter. They damn near kept the offense in the game for three quarters.

[philfree]

Trent's not checking down as much. He's sticking with his 1st and 2nd reads to long and forcing the ball to the WRs. I think he'll snap out of it. This also not at all the game plan we were planning on using this year either. Bo and Wilson were gonna be huge in our O this year.


PhilFree

[Gaz]

Blaming the Defense for Sunday’s debacle is wrong, IMO.

The Defense gave the ball to the Offense several times. The Offense gave it right back to the Enemy. They did this enough times that the Defense broke down and finally collapsed entirely. Vermeil pointed out in his post-game conference that if you keep the D on the field that much, they are going to break down. The Offense kept the Defense on the field and the Defense broke down.

The Offense lost the game against Carolina.

xoxo~
Gaz
Sorry to report that the high-powered KC Offense ain’t so high-powered this season.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by Gaz

Blaming the Defense for Sunday’s debacle is wrong, IMO.

The Defense gave the ball to the Offense several times. The Offense gave it right back to the Enemy. They did this enough times that the Defense broke down and finally collapsed entirely. Vermeil pointed out in his post-game conference that if you keep the D on the field that much, they are going to break down. The Offense kept the Defense on the field and the Defense broke down.

The Offense lost the game against Carolina.

xoxo~
Gaz
Sorry to report that the high-powered KC Offense ain’t so high-powered this season.

Who the hell is he supposed to throw the ball to? Morton? You saw his true color (yellow) on the ball to him over the middle. The SOB didn't even give an effort.

The defense played a decent HALF!! For once. They gave up the 9 minute TD drive. Just like last week. The offense had the ball for all 3 minutes in the 3rd quarter. The game was decided then.

Another thing I'm sick of regarding this defense is the excuse, "Well, they got tired." Who has the responsibility of conditioning this bunch of fat-azz underachievers?

I sure as heck didn't see Carolina switching DLineman out like we did. They were missing Jenkins for almost a half and still owned the LOS.

I know what the offense is capable of. It hasn't performed up to standards. I also know what I saw out of this defense - AGAIN - and I'm sick of the excuses from the coaches and the players.