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**CosmicPal** · 10-20-2004, 07:52 AM

We should permit this idea in the States. I feel all movie theaters, churches, schools, and any place of business that wishes to discourage the use of cellphones ought to install one of these jammers to freeze any cellphone calls from being made or accepted.

I can almost find a daily occurrence where I want to crush someone and their cell phone for being so ignorant and rude in a public domain. I’ve also had more than a few asshats check their cell phones during the course of a movie, prompting me to kick one gal intentionally in the shin on my way out of the aisle, and telling another gal if she were to open her cell phone one more time- I was going to break the damn thing.

http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLO...d77585581.html

Churches Installing Cell Phone Jammers

Tue Oct 19, 10:04 AM

By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press Writer

MONTERREY, Mexico - It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence.

In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna and statues of the saints.

The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted _ from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains _ by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings.

The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted.

In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests.

The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest.

"There are still many people who don't understand that being at Mass is sharing a moment with God," said the Rev. Juan Jose Martinez, a spokesman for archdiocese. "Sadly, we had no other choice but to use these little gadgets."

Purchased for about $2,000 each, they can be turned on by remote control and emit low-level radio frequencies that thwart cell phone signals within a 100-foot radius.

Users get a "no service" or "signal not available" message on their cell phones.

Although Mexico has no law against the devices, the private use of cell phone blockers is illegal in the United States and most Western countries.

But the tide is turning.

Japan allows public places such as theaters and concert halls to install jammers, provided they obtain a government-issued license. And last week, France's industry minister approved a decision to let cinemas, concert halls and theaters install them _ as long as provisions are in place so emergency calls can still be made.

Canada had considered allowing blocking in similar situations. But Industry Canada, which regulates the country's telecommunications, decided against it, saying the devices could infringe on personal freedom and affect public safety by crippling communication with law enforcement and security agencies.

Officials at Netline, which sold its first jammer in 1998, say they are selling thousands of jammers a year and have expanded their business throughout the world.

They're far from the only manufacturers. The devices are sold the world over, with dozens of suppliers selling them on the Internet.

Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, even though their use is illegal.

In Scotland, businessman Ronnie McGuire, owner of Electron Electrical Engineering Services, imported Taiwan-made cell phone blockers and sold them to hotels, restaurants and bars until a local newspaper reported his activities, which were illegal in Britain.

McGuire has said he will still import the Taiwanese devices but sell them for export only to countries where they are allowed.

Loreen Haim, the director of marketing and sales for Netline, wouldn't say how many devices the company sells per year or what country buys the most.

In Mexico, the main clients have been banks looking to stop would-be robbers from communicating with their accomplices and the Mexican government, which is planning to use them at prisons, Haim said.

In Monterrey, the Sacred Heart church, a baroque temple favored by Mexico's elite for weddings, church officials acquired their blockers two years ago.

"Whenever there was a wedding, cell phones would ring every five minutes," said Bulmaro Carranza, a parish clerk. "It was a real problem because there were times when even the groom would forget to turn his cell phone off."

For months, the devices went unnoticed until reporters covering the weddings began complaining that their cell phones never worked.

Since word of the jammers went public, priests from around Mexico have been calling to find out how to get them, said Carranza.

At Sacred Heart, a device at the entrance to the church and another by the altar are turned on right before every Mass. Still, priests remind parishioners to turn off their phones before beginning the services, hoping good cell phone etiquette will eventually catch on.

The other Monterrey churches with the devices _ The Rosario, San Juan Bosco and Our Lady Queen of the Angels _ are also frequented by wealthier parishioners, Martinez said.

"For a lot of them, the cell phone is a necessity. But that shouldn't prevent them from having good manners and remembering that one must respect sacred places," Martinez said.

Margarita Escobedo, a Catholic who goes to church at least twice a week and volunteers at the San Genaro church, says she would welcome the jammers in her parish, where cell phones are becoming a nuisance.

"Those who bring cell phones to church are not committed to God," Escobedo said. "It's very distracting to be praying and suddenly hear birds chirping or techno music."

___

**Skip Towne** · 10-20-2004, 08:25 AM

Cell phones are an instrument of the devil. I hope you all get ear cancer.

teedubya · 10-20-2004, 08:28 AM

This could be viewed as lack of Freedom of Speech. To not allow you to use Cell Phones via jammers could be construed as unconstitutional... Depending on where and how they are utilzed.

Could be getting into a grey area.

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

This could be viewed as lack of Freedom of Speech. To not allow you to use Cell Phones via jammers could be construed as unconstitutional... Depending on where and how they are utilzed.

Could be getting into a grey area.

You obviously are a brilliant banger; what fuggin' law school did you graduate from....none? That's what I thought. Free speech my azz.

Ultra Peanut · 10-20-2004, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Cell phones are an instrument of the devil. I hope you all get ear cancer.

KCTitus · 10-20-2004, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

This could be viewed as lack of Freedom of Speech. To not allow you to use Cell Phones via jammers could be construed as unconstitutional... Depending on where and how they are utilzed.

Could be getting into a grey area.

Nope...as long as it's not the govt using jammers, this has no impact on consitutional freedoms.

The constitution doesnt protect you on private property or in a business establishment or church.

Abba-Dabba · 10-20-2004, 08:38 AM

So let me get this right. I am in a building with a mobile jammer and the school calls saying my daughter has been badly injured and is being rushed to the hospital, but they can't get thru to me because some whiny ass bitches don't want to hear a ring a ding. Oh the humanity, life must be so hard hearing a phone ring occassionally.

Gaz · 10-20-2004, 08:40 AM

Go outside and check your phone mail.

xoxo~
Gaz
Pointing out the obvious.

KCTitus · 10-20-2004, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggysack

So let me get this right. I am in a building with a mobile jammer and the school calls saying my daughter has been badly injured and is being rushed to the hospital, but they can't get thru to me because some whiny ass bitches don't want to hear a ring a ding. Oh the humanity, life must be so hard hearing a phone ring occassionally.

I'd recommend not going to that building while your daughter is in school.

**Bob Dole** · 10-20-2004, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggysack

So let me get this right. I am in a building with a mobile jammer and the school calls saying my daughter has been badly injured and is being rushed to the hospital, but they can't get thru to me because some whiny ass bitches don't want to hear a ring a ding. Oh the humanity, life must be so hard hearing a phone ring occassionally.

Life is full of choices...

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggysack

a phone ring occassionally.

"Occaisionally?"

Let's say only one-fourth of those in attendance get a phone call...most I see get one or two every thirty minutes...so, in a theater of 200 people gets 50 phones calls over two hours...or once every four minutes....

ChiefFripp · 10-20-2004, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Pretty stupid, IMO. Its a minor annoyance. Sure, lets alienate those folks who HAVE to carry a cell phone for their business/work, as opposed to putting up a sign that says "please put cell phones on silent, or turn them off".

People won't take that seriously. I really want to harm all the jackasses who seem to want to talk on the phone during a movie. Woman are the biggest offenders, I swear some of them call their friends just to tell them everything that happens in the movie as it's occuring onscreen. These people need to die a painful death. I'm all for alienating these skinbags.

Gaz · 10-20-2004, 08:49 AM

The considerate cell phone user sees the PLEASE PUT CELL PHONES AND PAGERS ON SILENT OR TURN THEM OFF sign and turns off his/her cell phone or puts it on silent and goes outside if it “rings.” [Mrs. jiveturkey]

The inconsiderate cell phone user sees the PLEASE PUT CELL PHONES AND PAGERS ON SILENT OR TURN THEM OFF sign and thinks “screw that…I am not gonna turn off MY cell phone.” [insert hole here]

Gimme the jammers.

xoxo~
Gaz
Does not believe the inconsiderate cell phone users will change.

Abba-Dabba · 10-20-2004, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

Go outside and check your phone mail.

xoxo~
Gaz
Pointing out the obvious.

So my daughter has to wait to recieve proper care because someone is offended that a phone, may actually ring?

Voicemail may be an option in some cases, in some, like a high rise it may not. Checking voicemail may be all fine and dandy if you check it atleast on an hourly basis but HTF I am supposed to know I have a voicemail if the signal is being jammed? I don't know about you but my phone is on 24/7, I have to be able to be contacted at all hours.

ChiefFripp · 10-20-2004, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggysack

So let me get this right. I am in a building with a mobile jammer and the school calls saying my daughter has been badly injured and is being rushed to the hospital, but they can't get thru to me because some whiny ass bitches don't want to hear a ring a ding. Oh the humanity, life must be so hard hearing a phone ring occassionally.

What the hell did you people do before the cell phone was made? I think less than 1% of calls are for something as serious as a child being rushed to the hospital, most of them are made by blathering windbags in movie theaters who want to tell their buddies at home what's going on onscreen. I read a study once, atleast 95% of cell phone call are made by these "people" in movie theaters....seriously.

**Saulbadguy** · 10-20-2004, 08:52 AM

Considerate or inconsiderate, its a MINOR annoyance unless you have a problem controlling your anger.

10-20-2004, 07:52 AM
CosmicPal Learn it. Know it. Live it. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Casino cash: $10004900	Freedom!!! We should permit this idea in the States. I feel all movie theaters, churches, schools, and any place of business that wishes to discourage the use of cellphones ought to install one of these jammers to freeze any cellphone calls from being made or accepted. I can almost find a daily occurrence where I want to crush someone and their cell phone for being so ignorant and rude in a public domain. I’ve also had more than a few asshats check their cell phones during the course of a movie, prompting me to kick one gal intentionally in the shin on my way out of the aisle, and telling another gal if she were to open her cell phone one more time- I was going to break the damn thing. http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLO...d77585581.html Churches Installing Cell Phone Jammers Tue Oct 19, 10:04 AM By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press Writer MONTERREY, Mexico - It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence. In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna and statues of the saints. The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted _ from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains _ by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings. The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted. In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests. The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest. "There are still many people who don't understand that being at Mass is sharing a moment with God," said the Rev. Juan Jose Martinez, a spokesman for archdiocese. "Sadly, we had no other choice but to use these little gadgets." Purchased for about $2,000 each, they can be turned on by remote control and emit low-level radio frequencies that thwart cell phone signals within a 100-foot radius. Users get a "no service" or "signal not available" message on their cell phones. Although Mexico has no law against the devices, the private use of cell phone blockers is illegal in the United States and most Western countries. But the tide is turning. Japan allows public places such as theaters and concert halls to install jammers, provided they obtain a government-issued license. And last week, France's industry minister approved a decision to let cinemas, concert halls and theaters install them _ as long as provisions are in place so emergency calls can still be made. Canada had considered allowing blocking in similar situations. But Industry Canada, which regulates the country's telecommunications, decided against it, saying the devices could infringe on personal freedom and affect public safety by crippling communication with law enforcement and security agencies. Officials at Netline, which sold its first jammer in 1998, say they are selling thousands of jammers a year and have expanded their business throughout the world. They're far from the only manufacturers. The devices are sold the world over, with dozens of suppliers selling them on the Internet. Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, even though their use is illegal. In Scotland, businessman Ronnie McGuire, owner of Electron Electrical Engineering Services, imported Taiwan-made cell phone blockers and sold them to hotels, restaurants and bars until a local newspaper reported his activities, which were illegal in Britain. McGuire has said he will still import the Taiwanese devices but sell them for export only to countries where they are allowed. Loreen Haim, the director of marketing and sales for Netline, wouldn't say how many devices the company sells per year or what country buys the most. In Mexico, the main clients have been banks looking to stop would-be robbers from communicating with their accomplices and the Mexican government, which is planning to use them at prisons, Haim said. In Monterrey, the Sacred Heart church, a baroque temple favored by Mexico's elite for weddings, church officials acquired their blockers two years ago. "Whenever there was a wedding, cell phones would ring every five minutes," said Bulmaro Carranza, a parish clerk. "It was a real problem because there were times when even the groom would forget to turn his cell phone off." For months, the devices went unnoticed until reporters covering the weddings began complaining that their cell phones never worked. Since word of the jammers went public, priests from around Mexico have been calling to find out how to get them, said Carranza. At Sacred Heart, a device at the entrance to the church and another by the altar are turned on right before every Mass. Still, priests remind parishioners to turn off their phones before beginning the services, hoping good cell phone etiquette will eventually catch on. The other Monterrey churches with the devices _ The Rosario, San Juan Bosco and Our Lady Queen of the Angels _ are also frequented by wealthier parishioners, Martinez said. "For a lot of them, the cell phone is a necessity. But that shouldn't prevent them from having good manners and remembering that one must respect sacred places," Martinez said. Margarita Escobedo, a Catholic who goes to church at least twice a week and volunteers at the San Genaro church, says she would welcome the jammers in her parish, where cell phones are becoming a nuisance. "Those who bring cell phones to church are not committed to God," Escobedo said. "It's very distracting to be praying and suddenly hear birds chirping or techno music." ___
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Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	Cell phones are an instrument of the devil. I hope you all get ear cancer.
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10-20-2004, 08:28 AM	#17
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $8993042	This could be viewed as lack of Freedom of Speech. To not allow you to use Cell Phones via jammers could be construed as unconstitutional... Depending on where and how they are utilzed. Could be getting into a grey area.
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Abba-Dabba MVP Join Date: May 2001 Casino cash: $3582970	So let me get this right. I am in a building with a mobile jammer and the school calls saying my daughter has been badly injured and is being rushed to the hospital, but they can't get thru to me because some whiny ass bitches don't want to hear a ring a ding. Oh the humanity, life must be so hard hearing a phone ring occassionally.
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10-20-2004, 08:40 AM	#22
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Options abound... Go outside and check your phone mail. xoxo~ Gaz Pointing out the obvious.
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10-20-2004, 08:49 AM	#27
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Misbehave and force the rest of us to modify your behavior... The considerate cell phone user sees the PLEASE PUT CELL PHONES AND PAGERS ON SILENT OR TURN THEM OFF sign and turns off his/her cell phone or puts it on silent and goes outside if it “rings.” [Mrs. jiveturkey] The inconsiderate cell phone user sees the PLEASE PUT CELL PHONES AND PAGERS ON SILENT OR TURN THEM OFF sign and thinks “screw that…I am not gonna turn off MY cell phone.” [insert hole here] Gimme the jammers. xoxo~ Gaz Does not believe the inconsiderate cell phone users will change.
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10-20-2004, 08:52 AM	#30
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	Considerate or inconsiderate, its a MINOR annoyance unless you have a problem controlling your anger.
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