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**CosmicPal** · 10-20-2004, 07:52 AM

We should permit this idea in the States. I feel all movie theaters, churches, schools, and any place of business that wishes to discourage the use of cellphones ought to install one of these jammers to freeze any cellphone calls from being made or accepted.

I can almost find a daily occurrence where I want to crush someone and their cell phone for being so ignorant and rude in a public domain. I’ve also had more than a few asshats check their cell phones during the course of a movie, prompting me to kick one gal intentionally in the shin on my way out of the aisle, and telling another gal if she were to open her cell phone one more time- I was going to break the damn thing.

http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLO...d77585581.html

Churches Installing Cell Phone Jammers

Tue Oct 19, 10:04 AM

By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press Writer

MONTERREY, Mexico - It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence.

In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna and statues of the saints.

The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted _ from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains _ by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings.

The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted.

In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests.

The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest.

"There are still many people who don't understand that being at Mass is sharing a moment with God," said the Rev. Juan Jose Martinez, a spokesman for archdiocese. "Sadly, we had no other choice but to use these little gadgets."

Purchased for about $2,000 each, they can be turned on by remote control and emit low-level radio frequencies that thwart cell phone signals within a 100-foot radius.

Users get a "no service" or "signal not available" message on their cell phones.

Although Mexico has no law against the devices, the private use of cell phone blockers is illegal in the United States and most Western countries.

But the tide is turning.

Japan allows public places such as theaters and concert halls to install jammers, provided they obtain a government-issued license. And last week, France's industry minister approved a decision to let cinemas, concert halls and theaters install them _ as long as provisions are in place so emergency calls can still be made.

Canada had considered allowing blocking in similar situations. But Industry Canada, which regulates the country's telecommunications, decided against it, saying the devices could infringe on personal freedom and affect public safety by crippling communication with law enforcement and security agencies.

Officials at Netline, which sold its first jammer in 1998, say they are selling thousands of jammers a year and have expanded their business throughout the world.

They're far from the only manufacturers. The devices are sold the world over, with dozens of suppliers selling them on the Internet.

Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, even though their use is illegal.

In Scotland, businessman Ronnie McGuire, owner of Electron Electrical Engineering Services, imported Taiwan-made cell phone blockers and sold them to hotels, restaurants and bars until a local newspaper reported his activities, which were illegal in Britain.

McGuire has said he will still import the Taiwanese devices but sell them for export only to countries where they are allowed.

Loreen Haim, the director of marketing and sales for Netline, wouldn't say how many devices the company sells per year or what country buys the most.

In Mexico, the main clients have been banks looking to stop would-be robbers from communicating with their accomplices and the Mexican government, which is planning to use them at prisons, Haim said.

In Monterrey, the Sacred Heart church, a baroque temple favored by Mexico's elite for weddings, church officials acquired their blockers two years ago.

"Whenever there was a wedding, cell phones would ring every five minutes," said Bulmaro Carranza, a parish clerk. "It was a real problem because there were times when even the groom would forget to turn his cell phone off."

For months, the devices went unnoticed until reporters covering the weddings began complaining that their cell phones never worked.

Since word of the jammers went public, priests from around Mexico have been calling to find out how to get them, said Carranza.

At Sacred Heart, a device at the entrance to the church and another by the altar are turned on right before every Mass. Still, priests remind parishioners to turn off their phones before beginning the services, hoping good cell phone etiquette will eventually catch on.

The other Monterrey churches with the devices _ The Rosario, San Juan Bosco and Our Lady Queen of the Angels _ are also frequented by wealthier parishioners, Martinez said.

"For a lot of them, the cell phone is a necessity. But that shouldn't prevent them from having good manners and remembering that one must respect sacred places," Martinez said.

Margarita Escobedo, a Catholic who goes to church at least twice a week and volunteers at the San Genaro church, says she would welcome the jammers in her parish, where cell phones are becoming a nuisance.

"Those who bring cell phones to church are not committed to God," Escobedo said. "It's very distracting to be praying and suddenly hear birds chirping or techno music."

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Gaz · 10-20-2004, 09:00 AM

I heartily endorse Saulbadguy’s playpen plan.

Install those while you are installing the jammers, please.

Next, we can figure out how to make people whisper in the theater.

xoxo~
Gaz
Constructing a better world.

ChiefFripp · 10-20-2004, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

If cell phones are jammed, there should be a playpen in front of all doors to theaters that say "Check your Babies here". Hell, any child under 3 should not be allowed, unless its a childrens movie that will captivate them for the entire viewing.

Oh..and if you have a cold and you are going to cough and sneeze, stay out.

Your sarcasm aside, I agree with that. If you have a cold, WTF are you doing in a theater filled with people who can catch it? And people shouldn't take children under 3 to the movies anyway, unless it's " Babar's Great Adventure" or something.

KCTitus · 10-20-2004, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggysack

Maybe we should just ban phones all together and go back to Pony Express. Would that make you whiners happy?

LOL...what is it that causes one to go the most absurd extreme?

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCTitus

LOL...what is it that causes one to go the most absurd extreme?

Because she/he is a liberal who is morally bankrupt.

**Saulbadguy** · 10-20-2004, 09:02 AM

I guess thats reality. People bring their annoying children to movies they shouldn't be watching. I see this as a much greater annoyance than a cell phone.

KCTitus · 10-20-2004, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Ask him why he is still sitting in his seat when his wife is in labor.

Maybe that particular call wasnt from his wife...but the next one might be.

*I love playing the what if game*

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I guess thats reality. People bring their annoying children to movies they shouldn't be watching. I see this as a much greater annoyance than a cell phone.

Not all children are annoying. Just because you were doesn't mean they all are.

Abba-Dabba · 10-20-2004, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LamarR Huunt

That's because most people are more considerate than you are, apparently.

You're a pretty funny guy. For a ballless havin multiple login puss.

**Bowser** · 10-20-2004, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LamarR Huunt

Not all children are annoying. Just because you were doesn't mean they all are.

Hey wait a minute! I know this guy! His first name IS Hunt, but his first name is really Mike.

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggysack

You're a pretty funny guy. For a ballless havin multiple login puss.

Your grammar and sentence structure suck.

**Saulbadguy** · 10-20-2004, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Maybe that particular call wasnt from his wife...but the next one might be.

*I love playing the what if game*

My entire point is its a minor annoyance, and thankfully here, people are considerate and don't talk on their phones in theaters.

Gaz · 10-20-2004, 09:08 AM

It is exactly that “my situation is special” that causes the problem in the first place.

"I need to be in contact 24/7."
"My daugher might be injured."
"My wife is in labor, but I really want to see this movie."
"My drug dealer might call, and I am jonesing, man."
"It's only a minor annoyance to you."

Having a cell phone does not mean you have a right to use it when and where you please.

If the owner of a theater wants to allow cell phone use during the movie, then I will exercise my prerogative as a consumer and avoid that establishment. I do not have a special right to overrule him/her and demand that cell phones be banned.

If an establishment installs jammers [and I wish that every single establishment in the United States would do so, but that’s just me], you are free to take your business [and your rude, inconsiderate behavior] elsewhere. Please do.

xoxo~
Gaz
Just not as special as some folks.

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

Hey wait a minute! I know this guy! His first name IS Hunt, but his first name is really Mike.

That's my brother. You know where he is?

The bastard owes me money.

Abba-Dabba · 10-20-2004, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LamarR Huunt

Your grammar and sentence structure suck.

Still better than having no balls and not having the guts to say this under your real login, puss.

Now why don't you run along little kiddie and make another lame login, puss.

**CosmicPal** · 10-20-2004, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Oh..and if you have a cold and you are going to cough and sneeze, stay out.

While we're on the subject, and I agree with you there...but, a few months ago, and this includes the gal with the illuminating flip phone she just HAD to check every few minutes.

The guy to my left in that very same theater had a cold. The kid behind me couldn't keep from kicking the back of my chair...so, needless to say- I was in the middle of three of the most ignorant people.

I asked the kid behind me to stop kicking and motioned to the gal to stop looking at her damn cell phone- only to find out a few minutes later the cycle started all over again: the kid kicked, the guy sneezed, and the gal opened up her cell phone.

So, I had it right then and there. I got up and pretended to lose my balance thus pouring ice cold soda all over the kid's leg behind me, and then pretended to lose my balance again and kicked the gal next to me in the shin on my way to an empty seat in the rear where I watched the rest of the movie in silence.

People are simply rude and ignorant....We need jammers.

10-20-2004, 07:52 AM
CosmicPal Learn it. Know it. Live it. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Casino cash: $10004900	Freedom!!! We should permit this idea in the States. I feel all movie theaters, churches, schools, and any place of business that wishes to discourage the use of cellphones ought to install one of these jammers to freeze any cellphone calls from being made or accepted. I can almost find a daily occurrence where I want to crush someone and their cell phone for being so ignorant and rude in a public domain. I’ve also had more than a few asshats check their cell phones during the course of a movie, prompting me to kick one gal intentionally in the shin on my way out of the aisle, and telling another gal if she were to open her cell phone one more time- I was going to break the damn thing. http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLO...d77585581.html Churches Installing Cell Phone Jammers Tue Oct 19, 10:04 AM By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press Writer MONTERREY, Mexico - It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence. In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna and statues of the saints. The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted _ from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains _ by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings. The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted. In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests. The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest. "There are still many people who don't understand that being at Mass is sharing a moment with God," said the Rev. Juan Jose Martinez, a spokesman for archdiocese. "Sadly, we had no other choice but to use these little gadgets." Purchased for about $2,000 each, they can be turned on by remote control and emit low-level radio frequencies that thwart cell phone signals within a 100-foot radius. Users get a "no service" or "signal not available" message on their cell phones. Although Mexico has no law against the devices, the private use of cell phone blockers is illegal in the United States and most Western countries. But the tide is turning. Japan allows public places such as theaters and concert halls to install jammers, provided they obtain a government-issued license. And last week, France's industry minister approved a decision to let cinemas, concert halls and theaters install them _ as long as provisions are in place so emergency calls can still be made. Canada had considered allowing blocking in similar situations. But Industry Canada, which regulates the country's telecommunications, decided against it, saying the devices could infringe on personal freedom and affect public safety by crippling communication with law enforcement and security agencies. Officials at Netline, which sold its first jammer in 1998, say they are selling thousands of jammers a year and have expanded their business throughout the world. They're far from the only manufacturers. The devices are sold the world over, with dozens of suppliers selling them on the Internet. Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, even though their use is illegal. In Scotland, businessman Ronnie McGuire, owner of Electron Electrical Engineering Services, imported Taiwan-made cell phone blockers and sold them to hotels, restaurants and bars until a local newspaper reported his activities, which were illegal in Britain. McGuire has said he will still import the Taiwanese devices but sell them for export only to countries where they are allowed. Loreen Haim, the director of marketing and sales for Netline, wouldn't say how many devices the company sells per year or what country buys the most. In Mexico, the main clients have been banks looking to stop would-be robbers from communicating with their accomplices and the Mexican government, which is planning to use them at prisons, Haim said. In Monterrey, the Sacred Heart church, a baroque temple favored by Mexico's elite for weddings, church officials acquired their blockers two years ago. "Whenever there was a wedding, cell phones would ring every five minutes," said Bulmaro Carranza, a parish clerk. "It was a real problem because there were times when even the groom would forget to turn his cell phone off." For months, the devices went unnoticed until reporters covering the weddings began complaining that their cell phones never worked. Since word of the jammers went public, priests from around Mexico have been calling to find out how to get them, said Carranza. At Sacred Heart, a device at the entrance to the church and another by the altar are turned on right before every Mass. Still, priests remind parishioners to turn off their phones before beginning the services, hoping good cell phone etiquette will eventually catch on. The other Monterrey churches with the devices _ The Rosario, San Juan Bosco and Our Lady Queen of the Angels _ are also frequented by wealthier parishioners, Martinez said. "For a lot of them, the cell phone is a necessity. But that shouldn't prevent them from having good manners and remembering that one must respect sacred places," Martinez said. Margarita Escobedo, a Catholic who goes to church at least twice a week and volunteers at the San Genaro church, says she would welcome the jammers in her parish, where cell phones are becoming a nuisance. "Those who bring cell phones to church are not committed to God," Escobedo said. "It's very distracting to be praying and suddenly hear birds chirping or techno music." ___
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10-20-2004, 09:00 AM	#46
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Now you're talking my language... I heartily endorse Saulbadguy’s playpen plan. Install those while you are installing the jammers, please. Next, we can figure out how to make people whisper in the theater. xoxo~ Gaz Constructing a better world.
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10-20-2004, 09:02 AM	#50
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	I guess thats reality. People bring their annoying children to movies they shouldn't be watching. I see this as a much greater annoyance than a cell phone.
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10-20-2004, 09:08 AM	#57
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	I am going to have to say "feh," here... It is exactly that “my situation is special” that causes the problem in the first place. "I need to be in contact 24/7." "My daugher might be injured." "My wife is in labor, but I really want to see this movie." "My drug dealer might call, and I am jonesing, man." "It's only a minor annoyance to you." Having a cell phone does not mean you have a right to use it when and where you please. If the owner of a theater wants to allow cell phone use during the movie, then I will exercise my prerogative as a consumer and avoid that establishment. I do not have a special right to overrule him/her and demand that cell phones be banned. If an establishment installs jammers [and I wish that every single establishment in the United States would do so, but that’s just me], you are free to take your business [and your rude, inconsiderate behavior] elsewhere. Please do. xoxo~ Gaz Just not as special as some folks.
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