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**CosmicPal** · 10-20-2004, 07:52 AM

We should permit this idea in the States. I feel all movie theaters, churches, schools, and any place of business that wishes to discourage the use of cellphones ought to install one of these jammers to freeze any cellphone calls from being made or accepted.

I can almost find a daily occurrence where I want to crush someone and their cell phone for being so ignorant and rude in a public domain. I’ve also had more than a few asshats check their cell phones during the course of a movie, prompting me to kick one gal intentionally in the shin on my way out of the aisle, and telling another gal if she were to open her cell phone one more time- I was going to break the damn thing.

http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLO...d77585581.html

Churches Installing Cell Phone Jammers

Tue Oct 19, 10:04 AM

By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press Writer

MONTERREY, Mexico - It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence.

In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna and statues of the saints.

The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted _ from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains _ by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings.

The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted.

In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests.

The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest.

"There are still many people who don't understand that being at Mass is sharing a moment with God," said the Rev. Juan Jose Martinez, a spokesman for archdiocese. "Sadly, we had no other choice but to use these little gadgets."

Purchased for about $2,000 each, they can be turned on by remote control and emit low-level radio frequencies that thwart cell phone signals within a 100-foot radius.

Users get a "no service" or "signal not available" message on their cell phones.

Although Mexico has no law against the devices, the private use of cell phone blockers is illegal in the United States and most Western countries.

But the tide is turning.

Japan allows public places such as theaters and concert halls to install jammers, provided they obtain a government-issued license. And last week, France's industry minister approved a decision to let cinemas, concert halls and theaters install them _ as long as provisions are in place so emergency calls can still be made.

Canada had considered allowing blocking in similar situations. But Industry Canada, which regulates the country's telecommunications, decided against it, saying the devices could infringe on personal freedom and affect public safety by crippling communication with law enforcement and security agencies.

Officials at Netline, which sold its first jammer in 1998, say they are selling thousands of jammers a year and have expanded their business throughout the world.

They're far from the only manufacturers. The devices are sold the world over, with dozens of suppliers selling them on the Internet.

Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, even though their use is illegal.

In Scotland, businessman Ronnie McGuire, owner of Electron Electrical Engineering Services, imported Taiwan-made cell phone blockers and sold them to hotels, restaurants and bars until a local newspaper reported his activities, which were illegal in Britain.

McGuire has said he will still import the Taiwanese devices but sell them for export only to countries where they are allowed.

Loreen Haim, the director of marketing and sales for Netline, wouldn't say how many devices the company sells per year or what country buys the most.

In Mexico, the main clients have been banks looking to stop would-be robbers from communicating with their accomplices and the Mexican government, which is planning to use them at prisons, Haim said.

In Monterrey, the Sacred Heart church, a baroque temple favored by Mexico's elite for weddings, church officials acquired their blockers two years ago.

"Whenever there was a wedding, cell phones would ring every five minutes," said Bulmaro Carranza, a parish clerk. "It was a real problem because there were times when even the groom would forget to turn his cell phone off."

For months, the devices went unnoticed until reporters covering the weddings began complaining that their cell phones never worked.

Since word of the jammers went public, priests from around Mexico have been calling to find out how to get them, said Carranza.

At Sacred Heart, a device at the entrance to the church and another by the altar are turned on right before every Mass. Still, priests remind parishioners to turn off their phones before beginning the services, hoping good cell phone etiquette will eventually catch on.

The other Monterrey churches with the devices _ The Rosario, San Juan Bosco and Our Lady Queen of the Angels _ are also frequented by wealthier parishioners, Martinez said.

"For a lot of them, the cell phone is a necessity. But that shouldn't prevent them from having good manners and remembering that one must respect sacred places," Martinez said.

Margarita Escobedo, a Catholic who goes to church at least twice a week and volunteers at the San Genaro church, says she would welcome the jammers in her parish, where cell phones are becoming a nuisance.

"Those who bring cell phones to church are not committed to God," Escobedo said. "It's very distracting to be praying and suddenly hear birds chirping or techno music."

___

**Bowser** · 10-20-2004, 09:11 AM

My .02 here - - I have no problems with a place like a movie theater installing a jammer, or prohibiting people with infants to come in. If you are worried that you will miss an important call, or are worried about/can't find a babysitter for your youngin', the last place you need to be is a movie theater. Nobody can prove to me otherwise.

Now places like restaurants and office buildings, that is a different story, mainly because you aren't expected to KEEP QUIET AND STOP KICKING MY fuckING SEAT!!!!

That is all.

ChiefFripp · 10-20-2004, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

My entire point is its a minor annoyance, and thankfully here, people are considerate and don't talk on their phones in theaters.

Ok then you obviously haven't had to put up with what me and alot of people here have. I think the first time you sit through a movie with these kinds of people you will appreciate our view on the " no cellphones in a movie theater" policy.

Wow, this topic really hit a nerve. I think it's becuase I had to sit through ("Return of the King") with about 50 of these bastards/ bastrardettes on their phones.

Up the Jammer!

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggysack

Still better than having no balls and not having the guts to say this under your real login, puss.

Now why don't you run along little kiddie and make another lame login, puss.

It must suck to be a sad and bitter little man, with no sense of humor.

Are you related to jettio, TJ, Duhnese, Frankie, and the other lame ass whiners?

nmt1 · 10-20-2004, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

Now places like restaurants and office buildings, that is a different story, mainly because you aren't expected to KEEP QUIET AND STOP KICKING MY fuckING SEAT!!!!

Well, you are expected to be considerate of others which is all most here are asking.

**Saulbadguy** · 10-20-2004, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefFripp

Ok then you obviously haven't had to put up with what me and alot of people here have. I think the first time you sit through a movie with these kinds of people you will appreciate our view on the " no cellphones in a movie theater" policy.

Wow, this topic really hit a nerve. I think it's becuase I had to sit through ("Return of the King") with about 50 of these bastards/ bastrardettes on their phones.

Up the Jammer!

hehe..It would be nice if there was some sort of comprimise. Maybe ushers that would give a damn. If your cell phone goes off, you get kicked out, zero tolerance. I like that idea better. Let the considerate people who put their cell phones on silent still receive calls/messages.

10-20-2004, 09:17 AM

I think they need to stop selling beverages at the movies because sometimes rude, inconsiderate bastages pretend to lose their balance and soak innocent bystanders.

Gaz · 10-20-2004, 09:23 AM

I guess we could just shoot all the rude, inconsiderate bastages, but who would moderate our Bulletin Boards?

xoxo~
Gaz
Asking for trouble.

**Skip Towne** · 10-20-2004, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LamarR Huunt

That's my brother. You know where he is?

The bastard owes me money.

Anyone seen Mike Hunt?

**Bowser** · 10-20-2004, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmt1

Well, you are expected to be considerate of others which is all most here are asking.

I just meant the jammer issue as it pertained to restaurants, Captain Obvious.

**Bowser** · 10-20-2004, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

I think they need to stop selling beverages at the movies because sometimes rude, inconsiderate bastages pretend to lose their balance and soak innocent bystanders.

That was you? Thanks! Now my wife is afraid to wear white shirts out in public!

10-20-2004, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

That was you? Thanks! Now my wife is afraid to wear white shirts out in public!

It was me, but I'll never throw a cold beverage on your wife's breasts again without donning a pair of safety glasses first.

10-20-2004, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

I guess we could just shoot all the rude, inconsiderate bastages, but who would moderate our Bulletin Boards?

xoxo~
Gaz
Asking for trouble.

Hey - watch the toes, Skip Towne.

**Lzen** · 10-20-2004, 09:31 AM

My 2 cents:

I would not have a problem with a jammer in theaters. Frankly, if you are out and left the kids at home or with the babysitter, you should have let them know where you'd be. That way if there's an emergency, they can call the theater's direct line and a theater employee can come find you. Otherwise, there is no reason to have a cell phone in the theater. If people would just turn them on silent, I would not have a problem.

On the issue of very young children/infants. We seem to have a major problem with that here. I notice that more than I ever hear people on cells in the theaters. As far as I'm concerned, if you can't find a babysitter, don't go to the damn theater and ruin if for everyone else. I have 3 kids myself and I never go to a movie unless I have a sitter. That is, unless it's obviously a kids movie. I hate having to try to hear a movie over a baby crying. I will never understand how people can be so inconsiderate.

**Bowser** · 10-20-2004, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

It was me, but I'll never throw a cold beverage on your wife's breasts again without donning a pair of safety glasses first.

Those fockers will put an eye out!

**Lzen** · 10-20-2004, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Anyone seen Mike Hunt?

Did you look between your legs?

10-20-2004, 07:52 AM
CosmicPal Learn it. Know it. Live it. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Casino cash: $10004900	Freedom!!! We should permit this idea in the States. I feel all movie theaters, churches, schools, and any place of business that wishes to discourage the use of cellphones ought to install one of these jammers to freeze any cellphone calls from being made or accepted. I can almost find a daily occurrence where I want to crush someone and their cell phone for being so ignorant and rude in a public domain. I’ve also had more than a few asshats check their cell phones during the course of a movie, prompting me to kick one gal intentionally in the shin on my way out of the aisle, and telling another gal if she were to open her cell phone one more time- I was going to break the damn thing. http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLO...d77585581.html Churches Installing Cell Phone Jammers Tue Oct 19, 10:04 AM By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press Writer MONTERREY, Mexico - It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence. In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna and statues of the saints. The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted _ from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains _ by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings. The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted. In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests. The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest. "There are still many people who don't understand that being at Mass is sharing a moment with God," said the Rev. Juan Jose Martinez, a spokesman for archdiocese. "Sadly, we had no other choice but to use these little gadgets." Purchased for about $2,000 each, they can be turned on by remote control and emit low-level radio frequencies that thwart cell phone signals within a 100-foot radius. Users get a "no service" or "signal not available" message on their cell phones. Although Mexico has no law against the devices, the private use of cell phone blockers is illegal in the United States and most Western countries. But the tide is turning. Japan allows public places such as theaters and concert halls to install jammers, provided they obtain a government-issued license. And last week, France's industry minister approved a decision to let cinemas, concert halls and theaters install them _ as long as provisions are in place so emergency calls can still be made. Canada had considered allowing blocking in similar situations. But Industry Canada, which regulates the country's telecommunications, decided against it, saying the devices could infringe on personal freedom and affect public safety by crippling communication with law enforcement and security agencies. Officials at Netline, which sold its first jammer in 1998, say they are selling thousands of jammers a year and have expanded their business throughout the world. They're far from the only manufacturers. The devices are sold the world over, with dozens of suppliers selling them on the Internet. Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, even though their use is illegal. In Scotland, businessman Ronnie McGuire, owner of Electron Electrical Engineering Services, imported Taiwan-made cell phone blockers and sold them to hotels, restaurants and bars until a local newspaper reported his activities, which were illegal in Britain. McGuire has said he will still import the Taiwanese devices but sell them for export only to countries where they are allowed. Loreen Haim, the director of marketing and sales for Netline, wouldn't say how many devices the company sells per year or what country buys the most. In Mexico, the main clients have been banks looking to stop would-be robbers from communicating with their accomplices and the Mexican government, which is planning to use them at prisons, Haim said. In Monterrey, the Sacred Heart church, a baroque temple favored by Mexico's elite for weddings, church officials acquired their blockers two years ago. "Whenever there was a wedding, cell phones would ring every five minutes," said Bulmaro Carranza, a parish clerk. "It was a real problem because there were times when even the groom would forget to turn his cell phone off." For months, the devices went unnoticed until reporters covering the weddings began complaining that their cell phones never worked. Since word of the jammers went public, priests from around Mexico have been calling to find out how to get them, said Carranza. At Sacred Heart, a device at the entrance to the church and another by the altar are turned on right before every Mass. Still, priests remind parishioners to turn off their phones before beginning the services, hoping good cell phone etiquette will eventually catch on. The other Monterrey churches with the devices _ The Rosario, San Juan Bosco and Our Lady Queen of the Angels _ are also frequented by wealthier parishioners, Martinez said. "For a lot of them, the cell phone is a necessity. But that shouldn't prevent them from having good manners and remembering that one must respect sacred places," Martinez said. Margarita Escobedo, a Catholic who goes to church at least twice a week and volunteers at the San Genaro church, says she would welcome the jammers in her parish, where cell phones are becoming a nuisance. "Those who bring cell phones to church are not committed to God," Escobedo said. "It's very distracting to be praying and suddenly hear birds chirping or techno music." ___
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10-20-2004, 09:11 AM	#61
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-218384	My .02 here - - I have no problems with a place like a movie theater installing a jammer, or prohibiting people with infants to come in. If you are worried that you will miss an important call, or are worried about/can't find a babysitter for your youngin', the last place you need to be is a movie theater. Nobody can prove to me otherwise. Now places like restaurants and office buildings, that is a different story, mainly because you aren't expected to KEEP QUIET AND STOP KICKING MY fuckING SEAT!!!! That is all.
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10-20-2004, 09:17 AM	#66
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	I think they need to stop selling beverages at the movies because sometimes rude, inconsiderate bastages pretend to lose their balance and soak innocent bystanders.
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10-20-2004, 09:23 AM	#67
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	The Final Solution... I guess we could just shoot all the rude, inconsiderate bastages, but who would moderate our Bulletin Boards? xoxo~ Gaz Asking for trouble.
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10-20-2004, 09:31 AM	#73
Lzen Banded Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oz Casino cash: $-679308	My 2 cents: I would not have a problem with a jammer in theaters. Frankly, if you are out and left the kids at home or with the babysitter, you should have let them know where you'd be. That way if there's an emergency, they can call the theater's direct line and a theater employee can come find you. Otherwise, there is no reason to have a cell phone in the theater. If people would just turn them on silent, I would not have a problem. On the issue of very young children/infants. We seem to have a major problem with that here. I notice that more than I ever hear people on cells in the theaters. As far as I'm concerned, if you can't find a babysitter, don't go to the damn theater and ruin if for everyone else. I have 3 kids myself and I never go to a movie unless I have a sitter. That is, unless it's obviously a kids movie. I hate having to try to hear a movie over a baby crying. I will never understand how people can be so inconsiderate. __________________ Conversation would be vastly improved by the constant use of four simple words: I do not know.
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