The Pope John Paul II

[Jenson71]

Today I listened to a talk about the Catholic religion and part of it dealed with the Pope - John Paul II. Isn't he amazing? The Pope is one of my heroes. He's so unbelievably good. This thread is a tribute thread to the living saint.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

I can't believe all the anti-Catholic vitriol on the internet. Every forum I come to it eventually rears it's ugly head. I mean, people REVEL in their hatred of the Church, and most of those people don't really understand what the Church really believes and teaches. They simply gobble up whatever some Fundy tells them about the evils of the Church. The fact that the Church has done herself some bad damage in the past of course does not help it. But what I find interesting is that we (Yup, evil Catholic checking in) have had bad bishops, priests and ayuh, even Popes, yet the Church herself survives. Why? Because the Church as an institution is right. It's some of the people who run it who are fallible.

I am sick and tired of hearing about the priest and alter boy scandal. People love to make fun of it, but a simple google search will illustrate that the problem is actually MORE pervasive in Protestant churches. The Jehovah's Witnesses are a total mess, I can't even begin to go there. Does that make it right? Of COURSE not. But to sit there and gleefully crap all over the Catholic church for it's problems while totally ignoring the problems of other Christian denominations is intelectually dishonest at best. Sadly, it is also typical.

What people don't understand is that there is a ferverant NEED for the anti-God crowd in the world to take out the Catholic Church. Why? Because if you can take down the Catholics, the rest of Christianity will crumble as well. This is why Catholicism is a huge target. Satan needs to kill it. Sadly, Christ himself stated that the gates of Hell itself will not prevail against His Church, and try as he might for 2000 years, Satan still cannot prevail.

Quit crapping on the Church. Her history is recognized and acknowleged by her and her members. The wrongs of the past will never go away, but neither will the righteousness of the Church itself. Again, hate it all you want, but if the church falls, back up and run...

Whoa, whoa. I think the same way about every organized religion as I do about Catholic Church. Catholic Church has been the worst throughout the history and that's why it's a good example.

[Clint in Wichita]

Can you spot the Pope in this picture?

A saint? He backs a bunch of child-fuggers. An angry parent should pitch his feeble arse into the Meditteranean.

[Oxford]

Originally Posted by C-Mac

Just because your church and leaders are corrupt, no one is saying that you are a "evil Catholic", only you are.

C-Mac,
I will take you at your word that you are not, HOWEVER your statement dovetails very nicely with those that call Catholicism a cult. As a practicing catholic I take offense when someone calls the church corrupt because I see that as an attack on GOD's church.

If someone wants to attack someone within the church on the basis of that persons actions then that is right and proper. And if the allegations are proved to be true, then they should be punished. It is apparent throughout recorded history that corrupt people have used the church as an excuse for their actions, and there have been corrupt people leading the church, yet through all that she still stands.

It is encumbent on us, the laity, to demand accountability and not to abandon the church when ugly and despicable things come to light. I see that as my responsibility to those generations yet to come, .. if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

[Clint in Wichita]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

I can't believe all the anti-Catholic vitriol on the internet. Every forum I come to it eventually rears it's ugly head. I mean, people REVEL in their hatred of the Church, and most of those people don't really understand what the Church really believes and teaches

That's because even among Christians, Catholics are incredibly self-righteous.

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

I They simply gobble up whatever some Fundy tells them about the evils of the Church.

Naw, it couldn't be for any other possible reason. It's always a "fundy". Every time.

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

But what I find interesting is that we (Yup, evil Catholic checking in) have had bad bishops, priests and ayuh, even Popes, yet the Church herself survives. Why? Because the Church as an institution is right. It's some of the people who run it who are fallible.

I think it's because it, like all other religions, is full of gullible, brainwashed people who would dive under a moving bus if the Pope told them to.

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

I am sick and tired of hearing about the priest and alter boy scandal. People love to make fun of it, but a simple google search will illustrate that the problem is actually MORE pervasive in Protestant churches. The Jehovah's Witnesses are a total mess, I can't even begin to go there. Does that make it right? Of COURSE not. But to sit there and gleefully crap all over the Catholic church for it's problems while totally ignoring the problems of other Christian denominations is intelectually dishonest at best. Sadly, it is also typical.

"Hey, stop picking on us! They ***** children, too!

Preists are screwing kids, higher-ups are covering it up, yet they should be given a pass because Jehova's Witnesses screw kids too? What sort of attitude is that?

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

What people don't understand is that there is a ferverant NEED for the anti-God crowd in the world to take out the Catholic Church. Why? Because if you can take down the Catholics, the rest of Christianity will crumble as well.

Actually, the fall of the Catholic church would probably be the best thing that ever happened to Christianity.

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Satan needs to kill it. Sadly, Christ himself stated that the gates of Hell itself will not prevail against His Church, and try as he might for 2000 years, Satan still cannot prevail.

Yeah, well, I'll bet Christ didn't account for child-f_cking when he made that statement.

BTW, if Satan cannot prevail, what the hell are you worried about? Do you really think that naysayers might succeed where SATAN has failed? Prince of fuggin' Darkness, no problem. Bill Maher tells a joke on HBO, circle the wagons!!

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Quit crapping on the Church. Her history is recognized and acknowleged by her and her members. The wrongs of the past will never go away, but neither will the righteousness of the Church itself. Again, hate it all you want, but if the church falls, back up and run...

I'll quit crapping on the church when it's leaders stop f_cking children.

And whether the church falls or not, I won't "back up" anywhere near a Catholic Church.

[Demonpenz]

I am catholic. I have some problems with the church that are real simple, first I don't fully believe that the bread actually turns into Jesus, Second I have a real problem when people donate large flashing signs or a 100,000 stain glass window, when the money could go to actually benifit the community. I have 12 years of religion and debating. Those two things always stick out.

[Demonpenz]

yeah i am not a big fan of trying to go out and change their religion

[Over-Head]

Originally Posted by Boise_Chief

Yeah I figured you knew about it...... have you thought of the number of lives lost and just think in two or three years blood will be fine. Btw those disfellowshiped for blood will still be DF'd

As an ex- witness myself, I chose to harbor no ill feelings towards them. I, after almost 25 years just felt that it was not right for me.
That and the fact my congregation overseer was about the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth.
But still I didn’t let the actions of one man or body of elders decide my choice for leaving them, I did it after carefully weighing all options, and thoughts I had developed as a child then on through my adult life.
My biggest obstacle was the fact they keep you very close-minded to ANYTHING BUT THEIR TEACHINGS.
-DO NOT suggest post secondary education (they figure the bible will teach you everything you need to know, so you can go “pioneering”)
-and basically want you to live “within” today’s society but be completely separate from it.
Sure I went “out in service”..(the knock on the door you get when one of them offers you a Watchtower and Awake), did bible readings, heck at one time I was even a “Ministerial Servant”…(liken it to a Deacon in the Catholic faith, 1 step away from being a priest)
But then reality set in, and I just found I could not maintain “their” expectations, so I left.
I was never DF’d mind you, but something tells me if they knew I converted to Catholicism last year I’d be ear marked as an apostate.
I left about 10 years ago, so I felt no need to bother letting them know, I figure if they ain’t got the hint by now, why bother.

The blood issue is based on a passage from (you’ll have to excuse me here it’s been a long time years) Ezekiel (if I remember correctly) where it says in part
…”And if you should keep the command of abstaining from blood, good health to you”
Like any religion they have faith based on interoperation of the Holy Scriptures this being one of them.
.
The JW’s started in Up state NY when Charles Taze Russell after listening outside a basement window joined a “study groupie of the bible”, found he could “interrupt it” and thus the whole JW structure was built.
(This BTW can be backed up in the “History of the Jehovah’s Witness” a publication that came out about 10-12 years ago during their 100 anniversary)

But I think more than anything what got to me about them was the fact that they honestly believe EVERY OTHER RELIGION out there is WRONG, and they ain’t to slow in tell you either.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Over-Head

As an ex- witness myself, I chose to harbor no ill feelings towards them. I, after almost 25 years just felt that it was not right for me.
That and the fact my congregation overseer was about the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth.
But still I didn’t let the actions of one man or body of elders decide my choice for leaving them, I did it after carefully weighing all options, and thoughts I had developed as a child then on through my adult life.
My biggest obstacle was the fact they keep you very close-minded to ANYTHING BUT THEIR TEACHINGS.
-DO NOT suggest post secondary education (they figure the bible will teach you everything you need to know, so you can go “pioneering”)
-and basically want you to live “within” today’s society but be completely separate from it.
Sure I went “out in service”..(the knock on the door you get when one of them offers you a Watchtower and Awake), did bible readings, heck at one time I was even a “Ministerial Servant”…(liken it to a Deacon in the Catholic faith, 1 step away from being a priest)
But then reality set in, and I just found I could not maintain “their” expectations, so I left.
I was never DF’d mind you, but something tells me if they knew I converted to Catholicism last year I’d be ear marked as an apostate.
I left about 10 years ago, so I felt no need to bother letting them know, I figure if they ain’t got the hint by now, why bother.

The blood issue is based on a passage from (you’ll have to excuse me here it’s been a long time years) Ezekiel (if I remember correctly) where it says in part
…”And if you should keep the command of abstaining from blood, good health to you”
Like any religion they have faith based on interoperation of the Holy Scriptures this being one of them.
.
The JW’s started in Up state NY when Charles Taze Russell after listening outside a basement window joined a “study groupie of the bible”, found he could “interrupt it” and thus the whole JW structure was built.
(This BTW can be backed up in the “History of the Jehovah’s Witness” a publication that came out about 10-12 years ago during their 100 anniversary)

But I think more than anything what got to me about them was the fact that they honestly believe EVERY OTHER RELIGION out there is WRONG, and they ain’t to slow in tell you either.

Yep, great post.

I left because I'm a lazy bastard and wanted to watch football on Sundays, mostly.

[Over-Head]

Originally Posted by gochiefs

Yep, great post.

I left because I'm a lazy bastard and wanted to watch football on Sundays, mostly.

No you left due to the fact you’re a misguided hateful little turd who even once started a thread which contained a phrase that went something like this

…”Since O-H, and a few others are survivors of this hatful religion”…


And trust me ass wipe, if the search function were working I’d make you eat your last post.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Over-Head

No you left due to the fact you’re a misguided hateful little turd who even once started a thread which contained a phrase that went something like this

…”Since O-H, and a few others are survivors of this hatful religion”…


And trust me ass wipe, if the search function were working I’d make you eat your last post.

Uh...I'll go find the thread. I pretty much left because I don't like ANY religion. I would have done the same had I grown up Catholic or Protestant or Muslim.

[CHIEF4EVER]

Originally Posted by Slayer Diablo

Show me in the bible where it says the Christians' god wanted there to be a Pope or Bishops....and after you do that, take your findings and place them on Martin Luther's grave.

Even if I were still religious at all, I would have to agree with Martin Luther...there shouldn't be a Pope, bishops, etc. Also, he had a pretty good point when he said that the antichrist is the one who puts himself in an ivory tower surrounded by luxury after Jesus said that the way to get into heaven was to be poor. As I recall, M.L. directly called the pope the antichrist many times because of this conclusion.

It's nice that you claim to be an adherent of Martin Luther. Please quote for me where Martin Luther said there shouldn't be a Pope or bishops. Also, please post for me the biblical account that the antichrist will be in an ivory tower surrounded by luxury. As a Lutheran, I would be interested by this.

[chiefs4me]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

I can't believe all the anti-Catholic vitriol on the internet. Every forum I come to it eventually rears it's ugly head. I mean, people REVEL in their hatred of the Church, and most of those people don't really understand what the Church really believes and teaches. They simply gobble up whatever some Fundy tells them about the evils of the Church. The fact that the Church has done herself some bad damage in the past of course does not help it. But what I find interesting is that we (Yup, evil Catholic checking in) have had bad bishops, priests and ayuh, even Popes, yet the Church herself survives. Why? Because the Church as an institution is right. It's some of the people who run it who are fallible.

I am sick and tired of hearing about the priest and alter boy scandal. People love to make fun of it, but a simple google search will illustrate that the problem is actually MORE pervasive in Protestant churches. The Jehovah's Witnesses are a total mess, I can't even begin to go there. Does that make it right? Of COURSE not. But to sit there and gleefully crap all over the Catholic church for it's problems while totally ignoring the problems of other Christian denominations is intelectually dishonest at best. Sadly, it is also typical.

What people don't understand is that there is a ferverant NEED for the anti-God crowd in the world to take out the Catholic Church. Why? Because if you can take down the Catholics, the rest of Christianity will crumble as well. This is why Catholicism is a huge target. Satan needs to kill it. Sadly, Christ himself stated that the gates of Hell itself will not prevail against His Church, and try as he might for 2000 years, Satan still cannot prevail.

Quit crapping on the Church. Her history is recognized and acknowleged by her and her members. The wrongs of the past will never go away, but neither will the righteousness of the Church itself. Again, hate it all you want, but if the church falls, back up and run...

Well Said,,

[Hammock Parties]

Over-Head, do you remember what name I posted the thread under?

[Fairplay]

I have nothing against catholics, i just think their church is all fugged up.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

A saint? He backs a bunch of child-fuggers. An angry parent should pitch his feeble arse into the Meditteranean.

Really? I did a google search on "Pope supports child molesters", and this is what I found:

http://www.the-tidings.com/2002/0503/trip.htm

Maybe you could give me some info on how he backs up a bunch of child-fuggers.