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Old 05-12-2005, 04:59 PM   #1
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Hmmm...yea, id say it has alot to do with Baird. Im sure hes a "Nice Guy" but so far he sucks at running the Royals. Lets see...he hired Pena, what did he get in return for Beltran? for Dye? for Damon? What pitcher has he develeped into a consistant winner?? Most of this falls on him and Glass of course...
Are you on drugs? Seriously? That's the one area where Baird has been outstanding. The Dye trade was horrific but the last 3-4 years you'd be hard pressed to find many GM's who've done a better job wheeling and dealing for prospects than Baird.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:09 PM   #2
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Who really cares? I used to be a big Royals fan (since 1973) but the strike in the 90's and David Glass ruined my attitude! Don't see any difference today.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:09 PM   #3
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The Dye trade was horrific but the last 3-4 years you'd be hard pressed to find many GM's who've done a better job wheeling and dealing for prospects than Baird.
Are you kidding me???? If we had talent on this team we wouldnt be in the predictament we are in now! Sure he wheels and deals, you can wheel and deal all day long but who cares if they players you are getting suck???
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:12 PM   #4
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Are you kidding me???? If we had talent on this team we wouldnt be in the predictament we are in now! Sure he wheels and deals, you can wheel and deal all day long but who cares if they players you are getting suck???
Guys like Teahen, Bautista and Huber suck? You know this already?
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:15 PM   #5
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Guys like Teahen, Bautista and Huber suck? You know this already?
No of course not, im willing to give them a chance, but do you think any of these players will have the impact that Beltran did?? I wished he could have gotten a future "Superstar" like Beltran. So far i diont see that in any of the players we got for him.They might become decent, but hardly anything special.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:20 PM   #6
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No of course not, im willing to give them a chance, but do you think any of these players will have the impact that Beltran did?? I wished he could have gotten a future "Superstar" like Beltran. So far i diont see that in any of the players we got for him.They might become decent, but hardly anything special.
How do you know that? All of these guys we've traded for have some great tools to work with. None of those guys probably will become quite as good as Beltran, but in baseball it's far better to have 9 "good" players than a couple "superstars" and a bunch of other junk.... especially if you have good pitching.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:23 PM   #7
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How do you know that? All of these guys we've traded for have some great tools to work with. None of those guys probably will become quite as good as Beltran, but in baseball it's far better to have 9 "good" players than a couple "superstars" and a bunch of other junk.... especially if you have good pitching.

Sorry, i love the Royals and want to see them succeed as much as anyone here, but color me just a little jaded after 20 years of this BS.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:29 PM   #8
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Sorry, i love the Royals and want to see them succeed as much as anyone here, but color me just a little jaded after 20 years of this BS.
Well I understand that, but this is the first time we've really done this under Baird and Glass. If it fails, it fails, but I think the majority of the mismanagement of the team has come under a different GM when the team didn't have an owner. I've been screaming for us to do it this way ever since I've been on this board, so I'm glad we're finally giving it a shot, and I think Baird's stubborn enough to stick with it. We'll see.

Plus, I should add, we're actually doing it around pitching this time, which to me is the most important part of doing this...
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Old 05-12-2005, 08:56 PM   #9
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No of course not, im willing to give them a chance, but do you think any of these players will have the impact that Beltran did?? I wished he could have gotten a future "Superstar" like Beltran. So far i diont see that in any of the players we got for him.They might become decent, but hardly anything special.
I'm sorry, but i'm so sick of hearing from so-called fans who have no idea what they are talking about.

Beltran struggled a lot in his 2nd year, more then a few people thought he might turn out to be a bust. His 2nd year in the big leagues he batted .247 with 7 HR and 44 RBIs in almost 400 at bats. So don't act like Beltran or any other star in this league just came into the majors and were immediate All Stars, because it doesn't work like that. Many people on here have a selective memory about things like this, but it is pretty sad that guys like Teahen, Gotay, Buck, Dejesus, etc. are already considered bums with no potential because they have not made a seamless transition to MLB.
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I'm sorry, but i'm so sick of hearing from so-called fans who have no idea what they are talking about.

Beltran struggled a lot in his 2nd year, more then a few people thought he might turn out to be a bust. His 2nd year in the big leagues he batted .247 with 7 HR and 44 RBIs in almost 400 at bats. So don't act like Beltran or any other star in this league just came into the majors and were immediate All Stars, because it doesn't work like that. Many people on here have a selective memory about things like this, but it is pretty sad that guys like Teahen, Gotay, Buck, Dejesus, etc. are already considered bums with no potential because they have not made a seamless transition to MLB.
Im not saying any of those guys are BUSTS. Im sure they will turn out to be solid players. None of them will be Superstars like Beltran though.
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Old 05-12-2005, 09:05 PM   #11
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Im not saying any of those guys are BUSTS. Im sure they will turn out to be solid players. None of them will be Superstars like Beltran though.
HOW DO YOU KNOW??? Do you have a crystal ball? That is pretty amazing that you have such a good grasp on baseball scouting that you can tell after 11 professional games that Mark Teahen does not have what it takes to be a superstar in this league. Why are you wasting time on this board, you should be the head of a scouting department for some MLB team.

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