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Old 07-05-2005, 12:50 PM   #1
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If I had a good employee, I would give him a chance to clean his act up. If he still chooses drugs over his job, then he's not a good employee.

I've been around drugs enough to know that I don't want drug users working for me. Especially if they don't value the job enough to quit doing drugs.
That's where we disagree. As long as somebody is a top performer I could care less what he is doing in his personal life. I liked the way 24 hour fitness used to use their testing. If you were a top performer you never got tested. IF they had any issue with you though out came the test. Like I stated earlier, if they tested everyone they would have lost more than 50% of their top performers. Sales people like to party occasionally and they are a wilder bunch. For the record the last 3 years I worked there I took runner up twice and then left after accomplishing manager of the year for the entire company. I knew what I was doing and could have never performed at that level if I had pissed tested my top guys.
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Old 07-05-2005, 12:53 PM   #2
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dope is bad JU JU at work,they dont test here but i wish they did.
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Old 07-05-2005, 12:59 PM   #3
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dope is bad JU JU at work,they dont test here but i wish they did.
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Old 07-05-2005, 12:57 PM   #4
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That's where we disagree. As long as somebody is a top performer I could care less what he is doing in his personal life. I liked the way 24 hour fitness used to use their testing. If you were a top performer you never got tested. IF they had any issue with you though out came the test. Like I stated earlier, if they tested everyone they would have lost more than 50% of their top performers. Sales people like to party occasionally and they are a wilder bunch. For the record the last 3 years I worked there I took runner up twice and then left after accomplishing manager of the year for the entire company. I knew what I was doing and could have never performed at that level if I had pissed tested my top guys.
IMO, if you are committed to your job, you will put it ahead of doing drugs. If you know that you have the choice of either working for me, or smoking dope, and you choose smoking dope, that tells me everything I need to know about your committment level to the job.

It's not like an ambush. You know that the policy is no drugs. After that, the employee has control over whether it keeps him from working for me.
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Old 07-05-2005, 01:01 PM   #5
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IMO, if you are committed to your job, you will put it ahead of doing drugs. If you know that you have the choice of either working for me, or smoking dope, and you choose smoking dope, that tells me everything I need to know about your committment level to the job.

It's not like an ambush. You know that the policy is no drugs. After that, the employee has control over whether it keeps him from working for me.


I agree......... well said.
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Old 07-05-2005, 01:01 PM   #6
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IMO, if you are committed to your job, you will put it ahead of doing drugs. If you know that you have the choice of either working for me, or smoking dope, and you choose smoking dope, that tells me everything I need to know about your committment level to the job.

It's not like an ambush. You know that the policy is no drugs. After that, the employee has control over whether it keeps him from working for me.
It's your business you can do what you want I was just stating what my experience has been. What do you do anyway?
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Old 07-05-2005, 01:07 PM   #7
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It's your business you can do what you want I was just stating what my experience has been. What do you do anyway?
I own a roofing company.

Most of the opnions I've expressed in this thread would apply to any business I ran though. It's as much based on my philosophy as it is actual implementation.

If a company chooses to turn the other way, that is their perogative. I'm just defending my right to determine my own criteria for hiring.
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Old 07-05-2005, 01:16 PM   #8
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IMO, if you are committed to your job, you will put it ahead of doing drugs. If you know that you have the choice of either working for me, or smoking dope, and you choose smoking dope, that tells me everything I need to know about your committment level to the job.

It's not like an ambush. You know that the policy is no drugs. After that, the employee has control over whether it keeps him from working for me.

I would agree. The only thing I don't agree with is if it's something you do in your own time that doesn't affect your job (i.e. many recreational MJ users), it shouldn't be a concern. But hey, if it's your company, you do what you choose. If it were me, I would quit to keep a good job. Of course, I quit that stuff many years ago so that's not even an issure anymore.
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