I've never seen a defensive coordinator given so much as Carl has given Gunther...

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Gun is out of excuses.

He chose to return here.

If he was naive to the situation, that's his fault for not doing the research.

If it was the coaches, that's his fault for not insisting on his own coaches.

There's just NO WAY one can slice this where Gunther is absolved of blame.

I agree with you in regards to the coaches but don't forget Loyal DickieV Look how hard it was to get rid of GRob and If I rem Guinta is a coach he DickieV wanted to keep.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

I agree with you in regards to the coaches but don't forget Loyal DickieV Look how hard it was to get rid of GRob and If I rem Guinta is a coach he DickieV wanted to keep.

We've been through this before.

Yes, Dick was loyal and forced his coaches on Gunther.

However, a MAN, with dignity, backbone, and intestinal fortitude, would have told Carl Peterson and Dick Vermeil "Give me my coaches, or find another scapegoat for your shitty defense."

Unfortunately, Gunther is as spineless as he is egotistical.

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

We've been through this before.

Yes, Dick was loyal and forced his coaches on Gunther.

However, a MAN, with dignity, backbone, and intestinal fortitude, would have told Carl Peterson and Dick Vermeil "Give me my coaches, or find another scapegoat for your shitty defense."

Unfortunately, Gunther is as spineless as he is egotistical.

Good point. but even if Gun did do that he still would not have gotten his coaches but he would have stayed. So if that actually did happen (or he knew this was DVs final year and he decided to stick it out knowing this) and since he stayed then he might be spineless