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Old 02-06-2007, 10:23 AM  
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Herm Did More With Less
I know this is all reiterations but some need the reminder obviously...

No Roaf, no RT, an aged Will Shields, no T-Rich, no DT's above average, no Priest Holmes\LJ combo, no Saunders, rookie OC that had head in ass syndrome, injured starting QB for 8 weeks out of the gate..

result:
9-7 record and playoff appearance.
Defense went from 31 to 16
Offense dropped from 1 - 16


Given everything he had to work with I would say the drop in offense was to be expected.

Could we have made some better decisions? Sure
Is there room for improvment? Most definitely
Did we do better than what most would expect given the situation? Yes

So before you send Herm down the river I would say you have to ask yourself what might of happened with a real LT and FB offensively?
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:51 AM   #16
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Yeah, the defense did a really good job of keeping us in it the whole game. It was a shame to waste that effort. I will give Herm another year or 2 at the worst. There has to be adjustements and he had to have learned something from that loss. I'd hope.

I give him 2 more years or so. Of course we need to continue to see maturity in the D and a total 180 on our O. I don't mind and in fact I like the power running game. But if we don't use the P\A Pass then I will say we have issues.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:51 AM   #17
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I don't see how one could be optimistic after watching perhaps the worst-coached NFL game ever.
My reasons

1. Herm won 9 games with a broken down shell of a team.
2. Herm has the D going in the right direction.
3. Herm has shown the ability to draft well and build good football teams.

For the last 3 yrs I read how the offense is going to decline due to age. It finally happened and everyone is shocked. Some people blame Herm for that; I don't.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:52 AM   #18
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petegz28, I Like this post as I have said numerous times on this board, I like Herm as a head Coach and I think he did a good job with what he had. You stick anybody in his position with the offense and he loses Trent and a Hall of Fame tackle and a Pro Bowl FB, I think we managed pretty well.
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Old 02-06-2007, 10:52 AM   #19
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I give him 2 more years or so. Of course we need to continue to see maturity in the D and a total 180 on our O. I don't mind and in fact I like the power running game. But if we don't use the P\A Pass then I will say we have issues.
That was always a big part of our success is the PA passing, really didn't work well this year. The D looked alot better we'll see what happens when we actually get a real solid DT or 2 in there.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:07 AM   #20
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My reasons

1. Herm won 9 games with a broken down shell of a team.
2. Herm has the D going in the right direction.
3. Herm has shown the ability to draft well and build good football teams.

For the last 3 yrs I read how the offense is going to decline due to age. It finally happened and everyone is shocked. Some people blame Herm for that; I don't.
A very solid argument.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:10 AM   #21
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A very solid argument.

along with very weak one...

We all knew this was going to happen and yet Carl brings in a sub .500 coach that was fired, for a 4th round pick, and gives him nothing to help him on the offensive side of the ball....


Then we endure the preacher's antics all season long...
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:15 AM   #22
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along with very weak one...

We all knew this was going to happen and yet Carl brings in a sub .500 coach that was fired, for a 4th round pick, and gives him nothing to help him on the offensive side of the ball....


Then we endure the preacher's antics all season long...
So is your prob with Carl or Herm???

Herm also couldnt help Roaf's INCREDIBLY ill-timed decision.

There also isnt a coach in the NFL who could have gotten a winning record out of a 3rd string QB & a totally washed up Testaverde.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:16 AM   #23
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Herm overachieved for a few weeks with Huard at the helm. Then when the Chiefs had the western title in their grasps they fell apart and under-achieved, eventually needing a miracle to make the post-season. They were clearly outclassed, outplayed and outcoached in the postseason demonstrating that they aren't a serious title contender at this point.
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My reasons

1. Herm won 9 games with a broken down shell of a team.
2. Herm has the D going in the right direction.
3. Herm has shown the ability to draft well and build good football teams.

For the last 3 yrs I read how the offense is going to decline due to age. It finally happened and everyone is shocked. Some people blame Herm for that; I don't.
Yep.

Give Herm some draft/FAs to build on.
Seems to have done well with Jets building the team. Despite what fans say about him.

Playoff Colts game away. Yeah he FU.

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Old 02-06-2007, 11:22 AM   #25
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The only expectations I have of Herm Edwards is to draft well. We may make the playoffs once or twice but I can't imagine Edwards taking us to the SuperBowl.
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I look forward to Herm doing morer with lesser this year.

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So is your prob with Carl or Herm???

Herm also couldnt help Roaf's INCREDIBLY ill-timed decision.

There also isnt a coach in the NFL who could have gotten a winning record out of a 3rd string QB & a totally washed up Testaverde.

Same problem with Carl that every Chiefs fan has, He is only worried about the butts in the seats and not the product on the field.

Problem with Herm? Like I have stated many times, I will never give Herm a fair shake, His coaching style is 20 years old, never had a record of 10-6 or better, never takes the blame (throws everyone under the bus but him), Uses we when things go right, and they when they go wrong, on top of that is he a complete tool on his game day decisions.

Just like some people didnt like Dick, Marty, Stram, Leavy or who ever else you want to put in that list. I dont like Herm, didnt like him in NYJ and damn sure wont like him in KC.

Agian I will never give Herm a fair shake and IF he wins a big game or the big game? I will take my crow and gladly BBQ it to perfection and eat the shit out of it, until then, Herm and his band of fake cronies can kiss my a$$....
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Agian I will never give Herm a fair shake and IF he wins a big game or the big game? I will take my crow and gladly BBQ it to perfection and eat the shit out of it, until then, Herm and his band of fake cronies can kiss my a$$....
So you'll never give Herm a fair shake.... except if he wins a big game or the big game, then you'll admit you were wrong?

And you don't see anything unreasonable or biased about this approach?




The world is flat, and it will always be flat..... until somebody sails around the world... then it will be round... until then, science can kiss my a$$..... ?
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So you'll never give Herm a fair shake.... except if he wins a big game or the big game, then you'll admit you were wrong?

And you don't see anything unreasonable or biased about this approach?




The world is flat, and it will always be flat..... until somebody sails around the world... then it will be round... until then, science can kiss my a$$..... ?
Hey, if you dont like my honesty about the situation, put me on ignore.. No I admit and have along time ago, that I will never give Herm a fair shake. Period!

Yes, IF herm wins the Super Bowl I will admit I am wrong, Acutally if he just coaches in an AFC championship game I will admit I am wrong. But there hasnt been anything in his coaching career to lead anyone to think other wise.


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Hey, if you dont like my honesty about the situation, put me on ignore.. No I admit and have along time ago, that I will never give Herm a fair shake. Period!

Yes, IF herm wins the Super Bowl I will admit I am wrong, Acutally if he just coaches in an AFC championship game I will admit I am wrong. But there hasnt been anything in his coaching career to lead anyone to think other wise.


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I think you are right in a sense, the man has to show results.
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