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Old 03-06-2007, 09:50 PM  
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Graham signs with Denver
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5370262

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Old 03-07-2007, 08:50 AM   #181
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Sure. Dumb QBs always last 20 years.

What you fail to distinguish is between pre-snap and post-snap adjustments. Post-snap are often harder, and the QB and WRs need to be on the same page. The Pats offense have probably about an average number of pre-snap and quite alot of post-snap adjustments.

I cannot begin to tell you how many times Patriots beat reporters have written so-and-so "is having trouble picking up the Patriots complex offensive scheme" in connection with some rookie or FA acquisition.

The Gruden shift, shift, and then shift some more, is a different type of offense entirely, also very complex. I'd say the super-shfiting offenses can be more complex, yes, but the Pats are above-average in overall complexity.
Look,Vinny was a dumb QB..what does longevity have to do with his brains?

A complex offensive scheme that is designed by a 32 year old OC?

The Patriots offense is not that complex..they just aren't predictable..you make it seem like you have to be Albert Einstein to play with Brady..almost every offense in the NFL has huge playbooks,and is complicated.
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Old 03-07-2007, 09:16 AM   #182
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Look,Vinny was a dumb QB..what does longevity have to do with his brains?
Dumb QBs usually aren't good enough to last that long, to be honest. And BB isn't a big fan of dumb players either, while we're at it. Certainly not dumb QBs.

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A complex offensive scheme that is designed by a 32 year old OC?
I'm pretty sure you are smarter than this -- this is a BB/Weis designed offense that is being RUN by a 32 year old OC. Or did we throw out our entire playbook and start over because Josh McDaniels, who grew up in our system, was elevated to OC?

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The Patriots offense is not that complex..they just aren't predictable..you make it seem like you have to be Albert Einstein to play with Brady..almost every offense in the NFL has huge playbooks,and is complicated.
We're talking relative complexity.

Forget it -- this discussion just isn't interesting enough to be worth pursuing anymore, really.
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Old 03-07-2007, 09:25 AM   #183
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Off topic, this comment has always made me wonder what the hell it means. I've said it often, but what is the origin of this phrase?

I mean I've said it, but it's not like I carry around a bag of rat's asses to give each time I say it. Anyone know where this comment started?

I've also heard it used as "I could give..." or "I couldn't give..."

And, "rat's ass" has been replaced with "two shits" and other things from time to time.

Thoughts?

Not a clue.

I read a great story about the etymology of one phrase common in the English language, which military afficianados might like.

The great British Admiral Lord Nelson was second in command of the British Fleet at the Battle of Copenhagen, in which the British engaged the Dutch. At this point, Nelson was already blind in the right eye as a result of his prior combats on behalf of the British Navy.

Nelson, of course, always was a proponent of charging into the enemy and letting the British navy's superior rate of fire win the battle. He wasn't one for elaborate tactics. Get close and destroy was his motto.

He had taken his element of the fleet in close and was heavily engaged. As I said, however, he was SECOND in command of the fleet. The old Admiral commanding the fleet thought he saw the British getting killed and raised signal flags instructing Nelson to disengage and withdraw.

Nelson ignored the signal flags for some time but then one of his lieutenant's pointed out the signal flag and asked if Nelson didn't see it.

Nelson put his handheld telescope up to his right (blind) eye and said "I can honestly say I see no flag" and ignored the signal flag.

Following the battle, he was quoted as having said that he had a blind eye as a result of his service, and had a right to use it on occassion. For the tremendous victory at Copenhagen, Nelson was elevated and given his own fleet, and led the British to victory at Trafalgar a few years later.

So the next time you "turn a blind eye" to something....
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Old 03-07-2007, 09:31 AM   #184
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Off topic, this comment has always made me wonder what the hell it means. I've said it often, but what is the origin of this phrase?

I mean I've said it, but it's not like I carry around a bag of rat's asses to give each time I say it. Anyone know where this comment started?

I've also heard it used as "I could give..." or "I couldn't give..."

And, "rat's ass" has been replaced with "two shits" and other things from time to time.

Thoughts?
I Googled it. It started sometime in the 20th century but nobody knows exactly where it came from.
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Old 03-07-2007, 11:10 AM   #185
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Look,Vinny was a dumb QB..what does longevity have to do with his brains?

A complex offensive scheme that is designed by a 32 year old OC?

The Patriots offense is not that complex..they just aren't predictable..you make it seem like you have to be Albert Einstein to play with Brady..almost every offense in the NFL has huge playbooks,and is complicated.


The complexity I was referring to is in the adjustments. Brady and his intended receiver have to read the D and respond identically just like every other NFL team but the possibilities on each play are incredibly diverse and rely on a huge number of "tells". Some of these tells are so slight that they border on bizarre. I remember what our play book was like when we had that outstanding O quite a few years back and the TE routes/blocking assignments that the Pats run are comparable if not more complicated. This says a lot about the Pats' receivers and I can see why they might not value certain WR's that other teams would covet, because yeah-you would have to be bright to handle that load. BTW-I already had a lot of respect for Tom Brady before I saw some of his play book but afterwards I was stunned. I don't think you have to be a genius to play with Brady...but Brady might just be one.
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Old 03-07-2007, 11:28 AM   #186
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Good sign for Denver. Graham along with Henry will make them a force with the run game.

That being said, they WAY overpaid for him.
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