Time to trade Jared Allen...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kdog414141

Who?

I was specifically thinking of Hali and DJ when I typed that...

[unothadeal]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I was specifically thinking of Hali and DJ when I typed that...

I see. I actually was starting to forget DJ was on the team . But I don't think we should trade Allen just because it wouldn't be worth it. We won't be getting a 1st for him, and a 2nd or 3rd round pick wouldn't fill the gap he leaves at DE IMO. I say keep him for this year, and if he stays out of trouble, Carl should give him the contract he's asking for (Or close to it) next year.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kdog414141

I see. I actually was starting to forget DJ was on the team . But I don't think we should trade Allen just because it wouldn't be worth it. We won't be getting a 1st for him, and a 2nd or 3rd round pick wouldn't fill the gap he leaves at DE IMO. I say keep him for this year, and if he stays out of trouble, Carl should give him the contract he's asking for (Or close to it) next year.

A 2nd and/or 3rd absolutely WOULD fill the gap. Allen was a 4th-round pick.

We could get TWO players like him, without the off-field issues.

[unothadeal]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

A 2nd and/or 3rd absolutely WOULD fill the gap. Allen was a 4th-round pick.

We could get TWO players like him, without the off-field issues.

How do you know? The draft is filled with busts. I don't see the point in drafting a DE who has a greater chance at amounting to nothing more than a free-agent in 3 years. We've all seen what Allen can do in a game. His motor doesn't stop! He's going to have to grow a pair and mature, but when/if he does, we'll be kicking ourselves when we see him in a different uniform.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kdog414141

How do you know? The draft is filled with busts. I don't see the point in drafting a DE who has a greater chance at amounting to nothing more than a free-agent in 3 years. We've all seen what Allen can do in a game. His motor doesn't stop! He's going to have to grow a pair and mature, but when/if he does, we'll be kicking ourselves when we see him in a different uniform.

How much time do you give him to mature?

As was pointed out previously, the reason he didn't play D-1 football is because of his drinking problem. He's facing his 3rd-strike DUI.

He's threatening not to show up until he absolutely has to.

[unothadeal]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

How much time do you give him to mature?

As was pointed out previously, the reason he didn't play D-1 football is because of his drinking problem. He's facing his 3rd-strike DUI.

He's threatening not to show up until he absolutely has to.

Personally, I'm giving him a year to mature. If he does, good. We sign him long term. If he doesn't, as much as it pains me to say it, then I guess he won't be back in KC

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kdog414141

Personally, I'm giving him a year to mature. If he does, good. We sign him long term. If he doesn't, as much as it pains me to say it, then I guess he won't be back in KC

That's a damn shame.

Next year, he'll be an unrestricted free agent, meaning if he leaves we get NOTHING.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

A 2nd and/or 3rd absolutely WOULD fill the gap. Allen was a 4th-round pick.

We could get TWO players like him, without the off-field issues.

speculation-KC could very well end up w/twice the good and triple the trash.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

speculation-KC could very well end up w/twice the good and triple the trash.

It's all speculation.

But if this team is truly building for the future, they have to get as many good players as possible.

The best way to do that is trade the players that have TRUE value. We can trade guys like Trent and Wesley but they don't have much value.

We can trade LJ and get ravaged in the process because his on-field value and his trade value are out-of-whack.

Or we can trade a guy like Allen who is actually worth in a trade what we could get out of him on the field. Furthermore, he's facing a 4-game suspension and is one potential incident away from being gone for a season.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's all speculation.

But if this team is truly building for the future, they have to get as many good players as possible.

The best way to do that is trade the players that have TRUE value. We can trade guys like Trent and Wesley but they don't have much value.

We can trade LJ and get ravaged in the process because his on-field value and his trade value are out-of-whack.

Or we can trade a guy like Allen who is actually worth in a trade what we could get out of him on the field. Furthermore, he's facing a 4-game suspension and is one potential incident away from being gone for a season.

i wouldnt mind seeing allen traded one bit but i wouldnt want to get stuck w/ a sulking player because peterson is a hardhead and wants more than what hes worth.
or we trade and go after TWEENERS like we have sooooo many times in the past.
But yeah a trade has more upside in the longrun than keeping a headcase like allen.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

i wouldnt mind seeing allen traded one bit but i wouldnt want to get stuck w/ a sulking player because peterson is a hardhead and wants more than what hes worth.
or we trade and go after TWEENERS like we have sooooo many times in the past.
But yeah a trade has more upside in the longrun than keeping a headcase like allen.

Put it this way:

If Vermeil was the coach, I wouldn't trade him.

With Herm here, I'd try to get as many 1st-day draft picks as possible.

Not only do I think we could actually GET something with those picks, but then the cupboard would be fully-stocked when Herm leaves.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's all speculation.

But if this team is truly building for the future, they have to get as many good players as possible.

The best way to do that is trade the players that have TRUE value. We can trade guys like Trent and Wesley but they don't have much value.

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I disagree. You don't trade young ascending players. Those are the guys you build around. Those are the guys you are hoping to draft. You try to trade guys like Tony G, Law, Surtain, Green, etc.

In 2002 (Urlacher's third year) the Bears went 4-12. They didn't trade Urlacher for more picks because they were building for the future - they built around him because he was young and ascending.

The Colts were 6-10 in 2001 and Manning had a TD/INT ratio of about 1:1, they didn't trade him for more picks - they built around him.

In 1998/1999 when Marchibroda was struggling with the Ravens and Billick was taking overthey didn't trade Lewis (3rd year) for more picks. You keep your young good players because the draft is a complete crapshoot.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

You don't trade young ascending players.

Unless they're more trouble than they're worth. Think about how pissed you'll be if and when Allen gets suspended for a year and how you could have gotten 2 or 3 players for him.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

I disagree. You don't trade young ascending players. Those are the guys you build around. Those are the guys you are hoping to draft. You try to trade guys like Tony G, Law, Surtain, Green, etc.

In 2002 (Urlacher's third year) the Bears went 4-12. They didn't trade Urlacher for more picks because they were building for the future - they built around him because he was young and ascending.

The Colts were 6-10 in 2001 and Manning had a TD/INT ratio of about 1:1, they didn't trade him for more picks - they built around him.

In 1998/1999 when Marchibroda was struggling with the Ravens and Billick was taking overthey didn't trade Lewis (3rd year) for more picks. You keep your young good players because the draft is a complete crapshoot.

Comparing Allen to Urlacher and Manning is laughable. For one thing, neither was 1 strike away from being out for an entire season.

Spin it any way you want, Allen doesn't view the DUI convictions as a big deal and they absolutely ARE.