Interesting Stats for Brodie's First 3 Starts. - Page 4

thehead · 12-10-2007, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The only thing I saw that bothered me is that he tried to throw a ball to Kris Wilson with Champ Bailey covering him...

Wilson could not catch the ball if he was by him self much less Bailey on him, another wasted draft pick.

tiptap · 12-10-2007, 07:42 AM

I don't think you try to draft a QB the way Croyle is playing. We need better offensive and defensive line play. We wait on the QB to give Croyle a chance. My only concern is his injury record. Get the good line though and a lot of that concern goes away.

**Easy 6** · 12-10-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tiptap

I don't think you try to draft a QB the way Croyle is playing. We need better offensive and defensive line play. We wait on the QB to give Croyle a chance. My only concern is his injury record. Get the good line though and a lot of that concern goes away.

Exactly, he's doing about as good as a young QB can amid this farce, especially yesterday...the run game was non-existent, balls were being dropped left & right, the pass pro was mostly a joke.

Just like one of the announcers said yesterday "when all is said & done, he's gonna be a good one", so the very last thing i wanna see in the draft, like so many are ALREADY saying, is us taking Brohm or whoever...yeah, lets just keep the QB carousel spinning at full-tilt & not give a good player a chance to develop

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Brodie Croyle - Today, Tomorrow, Next year & the 9 After That.

OctoberFart · 12-10-2007, 08:58 AM

QB's usually start their career pretty good until several game tapes are out on them. I believe it takes 10 games to make a realistic judgement on a QB. Croyle has looked pretty good so far, but he is going to be injury prone just like college unless he can put some pounds on and KC improves the OL.

Big Chief Homer · 12-10-2007, 09:24 AM

There is one variable between brodie and all those other qbs past and present.

Who is tutoring brodie croyle?All of those other qbs in one way or another in some shape or form had someone to mentor them.

What does brodie have in KC? Dick Curl?Huard? a career back up with very little playing time himself.

Lets give the kid some help.A decent o-line and viable qb coach and i think the kid will be pretty good.

lostknight · 12-10-2007, 10:03 AM

Please remember that you are comparing Quarterbacks who entered the league with plays being signaled in, with players who get a nice little voice in their head telling them exactly what to do. Marino and Elway both had more issue with that then anything else.

As Cutler has shown, you really need a full season to see if the hype is worth the digital print costs.

Pablo · 12-10-2007, 10:12 AM

The original post wasn't specifically meant to compare stats to HOF'ers, rather to show that "pocket presence" isn't something all QB's pick up right off the bat.

The sacks were the most important stat to me, I was trying to show Brodie gets sacked just as much in his first three games as some great QB's did.

The other stats and comparisons were just for fun.

KCJohnny · 12-10-2007, 06:56 PM

I heard Neil and Marty on 810 sports today say KC ought to draft Brohm or Ryan #1. They said they are not sold on Croyle. I think Croyle will have a long NFL career here or somewhere else. I just hope its here and with a real grownup running the offense.

**Easy 6** · 12-10-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I heard Neil and Marty on 810 sports today say KC ought to draft Brohm or Ryan #1. They said they are not sold on Croyle. I think Croyle will have a long NFL career here or somewhere else. I just hope its here and with a real grownup running the offense.

Its simply mindboggling how anyone could want to restart a QB controversy after what we've been through the last 2 years...we've seen the numbers & Brodie stacks up just fine, he's trying to steer a car in a tornado & he's just gotten his damn license.

I can only hope that that option isnt even on managements radar.

Pablo · 12-10-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I heard Neil and Marty on 810 sports today say KC ought to draft Brohm or Ryan #1. They said they are not sold on Croyle. I think Croyle will have a long NFL career here or somewhere else. I just hope its here and with a real grownup running the offense.

And they're obviously idiots.

Seriously. If you've watched Brohm or Ryan play, they aren't elite talents. They aren't the kind of QB's you want to build a franchise on, they are better than average, and they damn sure don't look any better than Brodie did coming out of college, injury problems aside.

You put those guys behind this line and they will get injured. They will throw a hellacious amount of INT's and they will get sack/stripped the same way Brodie is.

I can't see how anyone who has covered the Chiefs for more than a couple of seasons couldn't be ecstatic about young blood at the QB position. How can you be sold on any QB after three games? It's impossible.

If Brodie totally bombs next season behind a *better* line and can't make the correct reads, and throws a ton of INT's, I think we draft a QB for competition. That's it. Then we let them duel it out in the 2009 Camp and Preseason.

I'm not sold on Brodie completely..but I'm willing to give the guy a damn chance, especially when he's playing behind 5 Michelin men who couldn't walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. Let him play..speculate all you want through the season next year, and if we have to bring in some competition, so be it.

Pablo · 12-10-2007, 07:14 PM

I'm laughing at the Tyler Thigpen avatar.

Ugly Duck · 12-10-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

Brodie looks pretty damn good in comparison to some other HOF QB's in his first 3 starts.

Brobie Coyle looks pretty damn good compared to wimps like Peyton Manning, John Elway, and Tom Brady.

Okay....

FAX · 12-10-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

Brobie Coyle looks pretty damn good compared to wimps like Peyton Manning, John Elway, and Tom Brady.

Okay....

Laugh now, Mr. Ugly Duck. But, if the plan comes to fruition, Brobie will be spanking your asses for the next decade.

You have been warned. Prepare your asses.

FAX

Ugly Duck · 12-10-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Prepare your asses.

Ooooohh, FAX! I love it when you talk like that!

Halfcan · 12-10-2007, 10:00 PM

The only knock I have on Brodie is that he is not much of a leader. He is TOO quiet- he just sits and pouts on the sideline.

Hey dipshit-your team almost went an entire game without a 1st down- but you sit there and grin.

NEXT!!!!!!

12-10-2007, 07:42 AM	#2
tiptap Is this it? Join Date: Jan 2004 Casino cash: $10007847	I don't think you try to draft a QB the way Croyle is playing. We need better offensive and defensive line play. We wait on the QB to give Croyle a chance. My only concern is his injury record. Get the good line though and a lot of that concern goes away. __________________ Even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He has a right to harbor and indulge his imbecilities as long as he pleases. . . He has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge." -H.L. Mencken
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12-10-2007, 08:58 AM	#4
OctoberFart Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10006091	QB's usually start their career pretty good until several game tapes are out on them. I believe it takes 10 games to make a realistic judgement on a QB. Croyle has looked pretty good so far, but he is going to be injury prone just like college unless he can put some pounds on and KC improves the OL.
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12-10-2007, 09:24 AM	#5
Big Chief Homer Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: offseason hell Casino cash: $10009985	There is one variable between brodie and all those other qbs past and present. Who is tutoring brodie croyle?All of those other qbs in one way or another in some shape or form had someone to mentor them. What does brodie have in KC? Dick Curl?Huard? a career back up with very little playing time himself. Lets give the kid some help.A decent o-line and viable qb coach and i think the kid will be pretty good. __________________ “I’m at the prime of my career right now. I’m living life and doing the best I can do right now. We have a really good team on paper, we just have to get the chemistry down and put it all together. There’s no ceiling for Derrick Johnson.”
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12-10-2007, 10:03 AM	#6
lostknight Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	Please remember that you are comparing Quarterbacks who entered the league with plays being signaled in, with players who get a nice little voice in their head telling them exactly what to do. Marino and Elway both had more issue with that then anything else. As Cutler has shown, you really need a full season to see if the hype is worth the digital print costs.
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12-10-2007, 10:12 AM	#7
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northland Casino cash: $-1980644	The original post wasn't specifically meant to compare stats to HOF'ers, rather to show that "pocket presence" isn't something all QB's pick up right off the bat. The sacks were the most important stat to me, I was trying to show Brodie gets sacked just as much in his first three games as some great QB's did. The other stats and comparisons were just for fun.
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12-10-2007, 06:56 PM	#8
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	I heard Neil and Marty on 810 sports today say KC ought to draft Brohm or Ryan #1. They said they are not sold on Croyle. I think Croyle will have a long NFL career here or somewhere else. I just hope its here and with a real grownup running the offense. __________________
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12-10-2007, 07:14 PM	#11
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northland Casino cash: $-1980644	I'm laughing at the Tyler Thigpen avatar.
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12-10-2007, 10:00 PM	#15
Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	The only knock I have on Brodie is that he is not much of a leader. He is TOO quiet- he just sits and pouts on the sideline. Hey dipshit-your team almost went an entire game without a 1st down- but you sit there and grin. NEXT!!!!!!
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