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Old 12-18-2007, 05:52 PM   #1
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HE takes it to a new level though. Actually I think that Dane may actually be Herm.

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Dave, Dane is right. Saunders has a solid level of talent in Washington. The Redskins should be ranked better than 21st in scoring offense.

Saunders = overrated
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:00 PM   #2
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Dave, Dane is right. Saunders has a solid level of talent in Washington. The Redskins should be ranked better than 21st in scoring offense.

Saunders = overrated

I could make all the excuses Dane makes for Herm for Saunders. Its not his style playersm he does have the players or coaches he wants, he needs more time. Cut him, cut Herm I'm fine with it. And Portis and all the other also rans at DC are not nearly the players you make them out to be. Like Brunell he is a shell of his former self even last year.

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Old 12-18-2007, 06:06 PM   #3
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I could make all the excuses Dane makes for Herm for Saunders. Its not his style playersm he does have the players or coaches he wants, he needs more time. e
Except that Saunders SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED those players.

You don't have a leg to stand on. Saunders has proven beyond a shadow of doubt he's no better than Gunther as far as coordinators go. He's only as good as the talent he has to work with - and perhaps not even that good.

Saunders should give half of his salary with the Redskins to Willie Roaf.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:19 PM   #4
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I could make all the excuses Dane makes for Herm for Saunders. Its not his style playersm he does have the players or coaches he wants, he needs more time. Cut him, cut Herm I'm fine with it. And Portis and all the other also rans at DC are not nearly the players you make them out to be. Like Brunell he is a shell of his former self even last year.

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No, you couldn't.

Washington is CLEARLY more talented on offense than the Chiefs. Yet, Saunders hasn't been able to make them an elite unit. Your assertion is that with the Chiefs CURRENT roster, they'd still be a Top 5 unit.

How is that possible?

Brunell may be a shell, but he was certainly better than Green or Huard last year and is better than Huard this year.

Your argument holds no weight.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:09 PM   #5
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Dave, Dane is right. Saunders has a solid level of talent in Washington. The Redskins should be ranked better than 21st in scoring offense.

Saunders = overrated
They actually have looked pretty damn good on offense since their QB of the future went down. I have watched their last two games in complete envy. Todd Collins has looked great and under control in that offense. The Chiefs let the wrong back up go, and I thought so at the time.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:13 PM   #6
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I have watched their last two games in complete envy. Todd Collins has looked great and under control in that offense.


Todd Collins was awesome in his last start. What'd he complete, 8 passes?
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:32 PM   #7
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Todd Collins was awesome in his last start.
Did you watch the game? 153 yards rushing and 156 yards passing, that looks pretty good to me right now.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:37 PM   #8
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Did you watch the game? 153 yards rushing and 156 yards passing, that looks pretty good to me right now.
Ed, he was 8 for 25. Not even 50%. That's 32%!

You think that a 32% passer "looks pretty good"?

W.T.F.?
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Old 12-30-2007, 04:57 PM   #9
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Todd Collins was awesome in his last start. What'd he complete, 8 passes?
Watch the games. Like I said, the Chiefs kept the wrong guy.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:19 PM   #10
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Todd Collins has looked great and under control in that offense. The Chiefs let the wrong back up go, and I thought so at the time.
How does 8 of 25 "look great"?

Please advise.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:21 PM   #11
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They actually have looked pretty damn good on offense since their QB of the future went down. I have watched their last two games in complete envy. Todd Collins has looked great and under control in that offense. The Chiefs let the wrong back up go, and I thought so at the time.
So if Collins had led this team to a 8-5 record, you'd be happy about it?
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So if Collins had led this team to a 8-5 record, you'd be happy about it?
Oh hell yes, a lot happier than the pathetic display we have witnessed this year. See, I don't buy into the lack of talent BS. I think it is coaching. Herm has lowered my standards considerable.
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See, I don't buy into the lack of talent BS.
So how many points was our collection of offensive talent capable of producing this year?
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So how many points was our collection of offensive talent capable of producing this year?
I have no idea, do you? You think they were performing at their capability? So miraculously, the Chiefs ended up with all the turds?

The one common denominator with this offensive decline, and recent defensive decline, is the coaching. The players don't buy it and it is nothing new.

So do you throw out all the players? Not usually.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:23 PM   #15
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I have no idea, do you? You think they were performing at their capability? So miraculously, the Chiefs ended up with all the turds?
Not all of the players are turds. We can clearly see LJ, Kolby, Bowe, Tony, at times Croyle, and even Webb at times, are not turds.

But 3/5 of that o-line?

Turds.
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