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Old 12-18-2007, 06:21 PM   #1
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They actually have looked pretty damn good on offense since their QB of the future went down. I have watched their last two games in complete envy. Todd Collins has looked great and under control in that offense. The Chiefs let the wrong back up go, and I thought so at the time.
So if Collins had led this team to a 8-5 record, you'd be happy about it?
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:51 PM   #2
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So if Collins had led this team to a 8-5 record, you'd be happy about it?
Oh hell yes, a lot happier than the pathetic display we have witnessed this year. See, I don't buy into the lack of talent BS. I think it is coaching. Herm has lowered my standards considerable.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:01 PM   #3
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See, I don't buy into the lack of talent BS.
So how many points was our collection of offensive talent capable of producing this year?
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:21 PM   #4
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So how many points was our collection of offensive talent capable of producing this year?
I have no idea, do you? You think they were performing at their capability? So miraculously, the Chiefs ended up with all the turds?

The one common denominator with this offensive decline, and recent defensive decline, is the coaching. The players don't buy it and it is nothing new.

So do you throw out all the players? Not usually.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:23 PM   #5
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I have no idea, do you? You think they were performing at their capability? So miraculously, the Chiefs ended up with all the turds?
Not all of the players are turds. We can clearly see LJ, Kolby, Bowe, Tony, at times Croyle, and even Webb at times, are not turds.

But 3/5 of that o-line?

Turds.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:27 PM   #6
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Not all of the players are turds. We can clearly see LJ, Kolby, Bowe, Tony, at times Croyle, and even Webb at times, are not turds.

But 3/5 of that o-line?

Turds.
Ok, not trying to have it both ways. Who assembled that group coming out of camp?

To what do you attribute the Defensive decline? Did the talent go to shit all of a sudden?
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:30 PM   #7
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Ok, not trying to have it both ways. Who assembled that group coming out of camp?

To what do you attribute the Defensive decline? Did the talent go to shit all of a sudden?
You know I've lost faith in Herm. But according to Nick, management convinced Herm that playing the status quo with this offensive line was acceptable before training camp. Herm went along with it. Maybe he was foolish for doing that.

I don't know why the defense has suddenly gone under. Probably because half of the players are quitting. That is a coaching problem, for sure. Again, you know I've lost faith in Herm and wish Gunther was shown the door.

But to say these linemen are talented...well, it's just flat out dumb.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:28 PM   #8
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Not all of the players are turds. We can clearly see LJ, Kolby, Bowe, Tony, at times Croyle, and even Webb at times, are not turds.

But 3/5 of that o-line?

Turds.
The Chiefs are pretty untalented as a whole, at least compared to other teams.

We made LJ a turd by running him into the ground.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:25 PM   #9
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I have no idea, do you? You think they were performing at their capability? So miraculously, the Chiefs ended up with all the turds?
That's usually what happens when you ignore your offensive line for 9 YEARS.

The Chiefs haven't drafted a FIRST DAY offensive lineman since 1999.

How could you expect the results to be any different?
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:11 PM   #10
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See, I don't buy into the lack of talent BS. I think it is coaching. Herm has lowered my standards considerable.

You are officially, an idiot.

Turley, Terry, Welbourn, McIntosh nor Weigmann would not be starting for ANY other NFL team. Period. There is absolutely NO WAY that all of them should have been playing at all, albeit, together!

But I'm sure they're all just Pro-Bowlers with a different coach, right?
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:16 PM   #11
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You are officially, an idiot.

Turley, Terry, Welbourn, McIntosh nor Weigmann would not be starting for ANY other NFL team. Period. There is absolutely NO WAY that all of them should have been playing at all, albeit, together!

But I'm sure they're all just Pro-Bowlers with a different coach, right?
Except McIntosh was a starter with the Dolphins and Weigman was playing at a high level two years ago. Turley, Terry and Welbourn wouldn't be playing anywhere else except for the dumb ass coach and GM that gave them a starting spot in KC. Fielding a group of JV players isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the head coaches prowess for finding talent.
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