Gholston = Merri man

[Mr. Laz]

without the roids?

Name: *Vernon Gholston
College: Ohio State Number: 50
Height: 6-4 Weight: 258
Position: DE Pos2: OLB
Class/Draft Year: rJr/2008
40 Time: 4.64
bench press - 37
Vertical - 35 1/2
Broad - 10'4"


Name: *Shawne Merri man
College: Maryland Number: 45
Height: 6-4 Weight: 272
Position: DE Pos2: ILB
Class/Draft Year: Jr/2005
40 Time: 4.68

Combine Results		Pro Day Results
Combine Invite? Yes Height: 6043 Weight: 272 40 Yrd Dash: 20 Yrd Dash: 10 Yrd Dash: Wonderlic: 19	225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25 Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3-Cone Drill:	Dates: 03/16/2005 Height: 6043 Weight: 272 40 Yrd Dash: 4.64 20 Yrd Dash: 10 Yrd Dash:	225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: 40 Broad Jump: 10'1" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.21 3-Cone Drill:

[suds79]

Originally Posted by TRR

I absolutely hate the idea of drafting Gholston at #5. I don't believe he can be an effective LB in the Cover 2 scheme at his weight and speed, and with as many needs as KC has, you can't wrap up that much money on 3 DE's. The only way I would be in favor of Gholston is if Jared Allen was traded for two first round picks...

And to think Hali hasn't been productive in his first two seasons is ridiculous. He has been a very solid player, and will get better (and healthier) in year 3 and beyond.

The guy has a monster workout at the combine and now all of a sudden everybody and their mom wants him here.

Outside of the Giants, I would argue that no other team has a better starting pair of DEs.... and people want us to take another DE with all our needs in other spots.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

No more than I was concerned about Jared Allen his first 2 years, or Hali now...

I don't recall seeing Hali or Allen getting pancaked by WR's. Neither was a top 5 pick either.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by TRR

I absolutely hate the idea of drafting Gholston at #5. I don't believe he can be an effective LB in the Cover 2 scheme at his weight and speed, and with as many needs as KC has, you can't wrap up that much money on 3 DE's. The only way I would be in favor of Gholston is if Jared Allen was traded for two first round picks...

And to think Hali hasn't been productive in his first two seasons is ridiculous. He has been a very solid player, and will get better (and healthier) in year 3 and beyond.

Again, Hali can MOVE to the INSIDE, but just in case you think Gholston doesn't have coverage skills, here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lzbj...eature=related

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by TRR

I absolutely hate the idea of drafting Gholston at #5. I don't believe he can be an effective LB in the Cover 2 scheme at his weight and speed, and with as many needs as KC has, you can't wrap up that much money on 3 DE's. The only way I would be in favor of Gholston is if Jared Allen was traded for two first round picks...

And to think Hali hasn't been productive in his first two seasons is ridiculous. He has been a very solid player, and will get better (and healthier) in year 3 and beyond.

I think we should forget about this guy. Is he bad ass? Yes. in a 3-4.

Why spend a pick this high on a player who will be situational for us.

It makes no sense. move along, nothing to see here.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Again, Hali can MOVE to the INSIDE, but just in case you think Gholston doesn't have coverage skills, here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lzbj...eature=related

Are you serious?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by suds79

The guy has a monster workout at the combine and now all of a sudden everybody and their mom wants him here.

Outside of the Giants, I would argue that no other team has a better starting pair of DEs.... and people want us to take another DE with all our needs in other spots.

First of all, people here were talking about Gholston as our pick in JANUARY, well before the combine.

And second, the Giants have THREE high-dollar defensive ends, plus Matthias Kiwanuka.

[BigChiefFan]

Some of you just don't get it, he's the best player available if he's there at 5. He will start and so will Jared Allen and Tamba Hali all at the same time to think otherwise is just not seeing the big picture.


This is the GROUND floor for the Chiefs- we need help at EVERY position.

BTW, Gholston has always been considered by those in the know as a top 10 pick, PRIOR to the combine.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Are you serious?

Dude, was he playing on the line? NO, he was in COVERAGE. He played BOTH LBer AND DE at Ohio State.

[TRR]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Again, Hali can MOVE to the INSIDE, but just in case you think Gholston doesn't have coverage skills, here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lzbj...eature=related

Hali struggles against the run at DE. He can't move to the inside and play DT???

Also, why take a situational pass rusher at #5??

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by TRR

Hali struggles against the run at DE. He can't move to the inside and play DT???

Also, why take a situational pass rusher at #5??

He played inside at PSU and when he was drafted, Gunther and Herm both talked at length about wanting to use him inside.

As to your second question, we took DT at #4.

[TRR]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Some of you just don't get it, he's the best player available if he's there at 5. He will start and so will Jared Allen and Tamba Hali all at the same time to think otherwise is just not seeing the big picture.


This is the GROUND floor for the Chiefs- we need help at EVERY position.

BTW, Gholston has always been considered by those in the know as a top 10 pick, PRIOR to the combine.

OLB isn't a need for KC at #5. Offensive Tackle and Defensive Tackle are needs at #5. Derrick Johnson and Donnie Edwards could play at a very high level for the next several years. It just doesn't make sense.

[TRR]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He played inside at PSU and when he was drafted, Gunther and Herm both talked at length about wanting to use him inside.

As to your second question, we took DT at #4.

I understand that. But that was two years ago. I think everyone should be fairly familiar with Hali's game...And there is no way he should play a snap at DT.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by TRR

OLB isn't a need for KC at #5. Offensive Tackle and Defensive Tackle are needs at #5. Derrick Johnson and Donnie Edwards could play at a very high level for the next several years. It just doesn't make sense.

Drafting for need gets you Ryan Sims.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by TRR

OLB isn't a need for KC at #5. Offensive Tackle and Defensive Tackle are needs at #5. Derrick Johnson and Donnie Edwards could play at a very high level for the next several years. It just doesn't make sense.

Expecting Donnie Edwards to play at a high level NEXT year is somewhat risky, let alone the next several. Guys at his age can break down suddenly and rapidly.

[TRR]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Drafting for need gets you Ryan Sims.

Now that's just dumb. You can't possibly compare a player like Glen Dorsey or Jake Long to Ryan Sims.

Dumb point...