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Old 02-28-2008, 11:21 AM  
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5. Chiefs Matt Ryan QB 6-4 228 Boston College Senior
Personally, I don't think Matt Ryan is the best QB in the draft. I believe Brian Brohm is the best and safest QB selection in the draft. With that said, the Chiefs front office has strong ties to the Philadelphia and Northeast region and have studied Ryan's game significantly. Kansas City has other needs and could grab Dorsey at this pick, but Ryan is favored by the front office and will give incumbent QB Brodie Croyle competition.
Previous mock draft selection: Brian Brohm
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:24 PM   #46
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I haven't "given up on" him. I just haven't seen anything from him that makes me adjust my draft strategy.
My sentiments exactly.
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:26 PM   #47
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And you propose to go about that by abandoning the commitment to the current QBOTF prospect, who we still haven't fully evaluated?

Serious commitment means half a season of starts behind a crap OLine?
Sad to say, but Croyle really didn't do anything to deserve evaluation beyond this upcoming season. Which he probably won't survive anyway.
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:27 PM   #48
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Because high risks sometimes bring huge rewards? Peyton Manning himself wasn't a lead pipe lock to be a success.
That's true however, I am fairly confident Peyton wouldn't be successful in any season where he took 55 sacks and the offense only ran for 79 yards per game.
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:29 PM   #49
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I'd prefer to stick with Brodie this year, see how he does in year two with at least a somewhat rebuilt line in front of him. If that doesn't work trade/draft a guy high. It's not like we'll be out of the top ten picks next year.

Just doesn't seem smart to me to spend a ton on a QB that you didn't bother to protect. Younger guys need more time find the open man and make the completion. Better have a good line and someone to throw to in front of them...


Something I've learned in the last few years of observing (watching the Broncos juggle) the quarterback position: teams don't spend a lot of money protecting a third round quarterback. Third round quarterbacks either sink or swim. Teams don't seem to be willing to invest a lot of money protecting a third round quarterback because they don't have a lot invested in them. It's not much of a priority.

First round quarterbacks, on the other hand seem to get protection. Teams have a lot more invested in them, and put a higher priority on finding them adequate protection.
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:30 PM   #50
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I haven't been paying close attention to the KC fan opinion of Brodie Croyle. Apparently people have pretty much universally given up on him?
I wouldn't say universally. Croyle still has a good sized bandwagon; I'm just not on it. IMO he is too small and too fragile. The only glimmer of hope I saw was against Miami in the preseason and I saw nothing after that game to make me believe he is our future. Most young QB will flash that potential even on bad teams and never saw that with Croyle.

I could be wrong and I hope I am but I wouldn't pass on Ryan because Croyle is here that's for sure.
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:30 PM   #51
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Yeah, who wants a Brady/Manning clone. Franchise QBs are for losers.
So we should gamble on a QB just because he's (questionably) at the top of a poor QB draft class?

When the guy who wrote the article says right away that he doesn't even think Ryan is the best QB in the class?

Wanting a franchise QB is one thing..... taking this big of a gamble on a guy like this is another....
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:34 PM   #52
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:35 PM   #53
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I wouldn't say universally. Croyle still has a good sized bandwagon; I'm just not on it. IMO he is too small and too fragile. The only glimmer of hope I saw was against Miami in the preseason and I saw nothing after that game to make me believe he is our future. Most young QB will flash that potential even on bad teams and never saw that with Croyle.

I could be wrong and I hope I am but I wouldn't pass on Ryan because Croyle is here that's for sure.


Personally, I didn't think it was a great idea to start Croyle this last year at all. I think he needed another full year of sideline development. I think you're going to see a better quarterback this year in the guy -- unless his confidence is shot from being put out there too early.

One thing I'd note: it wouldn't hurt you guys to put another young buck on the team. I sure wouldn't want to ride all my hopes on Croyle. And look at the San Diego situation. They went from having nothing to having two capable guys to choose from. That would be a good situation for KC to put themselves in. Competition did nothing but make Drew Brees a better quarterback. I very much favor a competitive situation over just "knighting" a guy and hoping it all works out. But the modern NFL makes that hard to do at the QB position.
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:39 PM   #55
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I will ****in shoot myself if we use this pick on the next Alex smith.
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Personally, I didn't think it was a great idea to start Croyle this last year at all. I think he needed another full year of sideline development. I think you're going to see a better quarterback this year in the guy -- unless his confidence is shot from being put out there too early.

One thing I'd note: it wouldn't hurt you guys to put another young buck on the team. I sure wouldn't want to ride all my hopes on Croyle. And look at the San Diego situation. They went from having nothing to having two capable guys to choose from. That would be a good situation for KC to put themselves in. Competition did nothing but make Drew Brees a better quarterback. I very much favor a competitive situation over just "knighting" a guy and hoping it all works out. But the modern NFL makes that hard to do at the QB position.

100% correct but... if you draft a guy as the 5th pick in the first you had better plan on sticking with him b/c hes going to come with a hefty price tag.
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It's big of you to admit it.
Touche.

I'm going to throw down the "Matt Ryan isn't worth the 5 pick" opinion for posterity's sake. That way if I'm right I can browbeat people with it and if I'm wrong, eh, you get what you pay for.
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this is where ignorance is bliss

i deliberately don't scout/track/analyze these guys anymore so i don't know enough to get pissed and stressed anymore.





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Exactly. Everyone wants to act like Peyton was this no-risk prospect when he came out, but in reality most people thought Leaf should have been the #1 pick.

Peyton had the stigma of a choker that folded in the clutch, since he lost to Florida every year and never took UT to the NC game.
What about the 1997 Orange Bowl against Nebraska?
Had Tennessee won they may have shared with Michigan.

BTW the Huskers would have destroyed Michigan but that's another argument for another day.
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What did he think about Alex Smith?
I've got no idea, nor do I have any idea what the obsession with Alex Smith is around here.

Ryan is nothing like Alex Smith. He might suck, but it won't be because he's remotely like Alex Smith as a QB.
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