For all of you that don't think Autism is related to Vaccines

[BIG_DADDY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxIVHtbGiUw

Everyone I know with a child who has autism with the exception of one is the same way. Now go ahead and quote the AMA and the CDC now, they are looking out for you and your child. Ignore the tons of people right in front of you that are telling exactly what happened to their kid. For the billionth time I don't know what it is about the vaccines that is doing this for sure but it is what it is doing, period. There is no debate here just bunch of people working for big pharm out there putting out disinformation for the masses so they can continue making their BIG $$$$$.

[Extra Point]

A lot of aluminum in these vaccines. Aluminum isn't good in too high a concentration in humans.

Originally Posted by mmaddog

You are correct to a degree...some vaccinations do differ, but not all. And the vaccinations in question do not differ in dosage for boys or girls.

mmaddog
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I'm sure you're more studied on the issue than I so I'll defer to your expertise.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I'm sure you're more studied on the issue than I so I'll defer to your expertise.

That could be your mistake....

I do study on this a great deal, but please don't mistake me for an expert. I am sure that there is someone in the health profession who could refute some of my findings.

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[melbar]

Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg

There is a school of thought that believes the genetic make up for Autism is already present, it's something in the vaccination that triggers that gene in Autistic children.

We grilled our pediatrician pretty hard on the subject and after listening to his reasoning we decided to go forward with the vaccines. His office doesn't use any Mercury or thimerosal in their vaccines. There are no preservatives added to the vaccines we received.

As I said above, thats what really scared us about our son. Tip toeing, fascination with spinning wheels, and clapping his individual hands when he gets excited. He is fine now (still does these) and shows expression, emotion, etc., but we still have moments that scare us.

Oh - you're a lay-expert so far as I'm concerned. I mean, I've studied the studies and made decisions in the best interest of my child (I say child because I wasn't aware of the "dangers" with my teenagers) but I've not been personally affected as you have. I'll bet you've done plenty of research searching for answers and you've yet to find what you're seeking. I hope you can get some definitive answers one day.

[Mosbonian]

Thank you Phil....

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[jAZ]

Originally Posted by jidar

You know what, if you're serious about educating yourself on this topic you should read this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2123647/

It's an unbiased and scientific view of the data, and one that I find extremely convincing. There is no real evidence linking autism and vaccinations and what little evidence is claimed is extremely suspect. Probably the biggest one is that the increase in autism rates started in the early 80s but mandatory MMR vaccinations actually started a full decade prior. Also several European countries stopped using MMR vaccinations in 1992 and it had no impact in their increasing rate of reported autism cases.

Another article to read...

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-06-20.html#feature

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by jAZ

Another article to read...

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-06-20.html#feature

Thank you for the link jAZ....and here is the part that interests me most:

Envoi

Claims of a causal link between the administration of thimerosal-containing vaccines and the onset of autism are unfounded. The controversy has been driven more by public fervor than it has by science. This is not to suggest that the advocates and parents fueling the fire are malicious or intentionally misleading the public. The reality is that too many families face the unimaginable hardship of learning that their child has been diagnosed with autism and must encounter the subsequent trials and tribulations of providing the best possible care and education for their child. These parents are in desperate need of both assistance and answers. Compounding the difficulty is that many must navigate the waters of emerging science without having received the necessary training to do so. Clarifying misguided claims of causative factors can help redirect necessary resources to more promising treatments, and perhaps reveal a better understanding of the real factors that cause autism.

[B_Ambuehl]

There is quite a bit of evidence people with autism have a propensity to have a more difficult time eliminating heavy metals. So what might be safe for someone with a good detoxification system could cause autism in someone else. One study on hair analysis showed lower levels of mercury in the hair of kids with autism and more mercury in the hair of normal children. This is an example of the type of cover-ups on this topic:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...adly_immunity/

[SLAG]

We choose not to vaccinate any more, my oldest son had a few but no more for anymore of our children,

Not only may they be linked to Autism but they are also made up of aborted fetal tissue

on another unrelated note:

Why the hell would any mother want to give her daughter that HPV vaccine especially at age 9, there should be no reason for a healthy young woman to have HPV, as long as she practices abstinence or gets married any only has 1 partner, I know that there are other causes of cervical cancer but Seriously, most are Sexually transmitted

[veist]

"The blood half-life of intramuscular ethyl mercury from thimerosal in vaccines in infants is substantially shorter than that of oral methyl mercury in adults. Increased mercury levels were detected in stools after vaccination, suggesting that the gastrointestinal tract is involved in ethyl mercury elimination. Because of the differing pharmacokinetics of ethyl and methyl mercury, exposure guidelines based on oral methyl mercury in adults may not be accurate for risk assessments in children who receive thimerosal-containing vaccines." link

"In the case of thimerosal and autism, a growing body of scientifically credible evidence suggests that there may be little to be gained from large additional research investments and, at a minimum, that it is time that additional significant investments in scientific or medical research related to thimerosal and autism be based on credible grounds that would lead one to believe that such investigations will contribute to understanding mechanisms that cause ASD."
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There have been plenty of other studies on the subject and unless you are willing to believe that the entire scientific community in the western world is engaged in a vast conspiracy to suppress the cause of autism, it isn't thiomerosal/thimerosal. I feel so bad for people with autistic children, I can't even begin imagine how difficult it is for them. But if someone is telling you its thimerosal that caused it and chelation will help or cure it they're taking advantage of you.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by SLAG

We choose not to vaccinate any more, my oldest son had a few but no more for anymore of our children,

Not only may they be linked to Autism but they are also made up of aborted fetal tissue

on another unrelated note:

Why the hell would any mother want to give her daughter that HPV vaccine especially at age 9, there should be no reason for a healthy young woman to have HPV, as long as she practices abstinence or gets married any only has 1 partner, I know that there are other causes of cervical cancer but Seriously, most are Sexually transmitted

Kids like to fool around. They are not religious and you can't make them. I was even taught by a Nun that this is the case. I am a very anti-religious person. I don't understand how you can say your children won't be doing these things when they obviously will. I mean, of course there will be those socially inept kids who only deal with their parents because they aren't allowed to interact with other people of the opposite sex (your children), but really, if anything sexual activity among teens is higher than ever. In your perfect world, everyone would only have 1 partner for their entire life, but this isn't a perfect world. Look at yourself and see how much you sin to prove that point. Sexual protection is needed for teens. If my kids (I don't have any now, but in the future) have the normal experimentation, I don't want them getting some STD (or get pregnant) because they were told by the Church that they aren't allowed to use protection. My favorite is Britney Spears's younger sister, who got knocked up by someone who she met at Church!!! If only that mom of hers didn't take her to church...

[Donger]

So, autism didn't exist before vaccines?

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by veist

There have been plenty of other studies on the subject and unless you are willing to believe that the entire scientific community in the western world is engaged in a vast conspiracy to suppress the cause of autism...

End of thread. At least for me.

What exactly would be the motivation for every person associated with the CDC and AMA to cover this up?

[phisherman]

probably the same reason that we don't know about some root in the amazon that when made into a tea will cure cancer, the almighty dollar. pharm is a multi-billion $ a year industry, there are plenty of reasons to keep easy cures covered up.