Jonathan Rand: What if (Matt) Ryan's there? - Page 2

shaneo69 · 04-10-2008, 04:27 PM

What if Ryan's there?
Apr 10, 2008, 2:15:51 AM by Jonathan Rand

What should the Chiefs do if Matt Ryan from Boston College, considered the standout quarterback in this draft, is sitting there when it’s time to make the fifth overall pick?

Thousands of Chiefs fans would be screaming, “Take him!” Some of these same fans, no doubt, were throwing chairs at their big screens last year as the Chiefs declined to trade up during Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn’s free fall. The Browns traded up with the Cowboys to grab Quinn at number 22 and the Chiefs, sitting chilly in the 23rd spot, took LSU wide receiver Dwayne Bowe.

Quinn, whom many fans urged the Browns to draft with the third overall pick, now backs up Derek Anderson — a sixth-round choice in 2005 who was waived by the Ravens.

Bowe enjoyed a standout rookie season. Had the Chiefs traded up, they would have lost Bowe and an extra high draft pick that they would have had to give to the Cowboys. For the Chiefs, trading up would have been a big mistake.

Drafting quarterbacks is a lot trickier than you might think. The list of first-round busts at this position is much longer than the list of first-round successes, which is bizarre when you consider how much tape, statistics and workout information is generated by quarterbacks.

But the adjustment from college football to the NFL is so dramatic that “can’t-miss” quarterbacks are few and far between. We still don’t know if JaMarcus Russell, the LSU quarterback picked first overall by the Raiders a year ago, was a wise pick.

The Chiefs need, first and foremost, a top-flight offensive tackle. But if Michigan’s Jake Long is one of the top four picks, the next-best tackle may not be a good enough athlete to justify taking with the fifth pick.

The Chiefs could then try to trade down or take the best player still available. And what if they consider Ryan to be that player?

Chiefs coach Herm Edwards attended Ryan’s campus workout, and should have an educated opinion on whether he’s a superior prospect to incumbent Brodie Croyle. Ryan, 6 feet 5 and 224, gets positive reviews for his size, arm and ability to throw on the run.

The Chiefs haven’t committed a first-round pick for a quarterback since they misfired with Penn State’s Todd Blackledge in 1983. Considering their long-term failure to develop a young passer, is it time now for them to finally take the plunge?

Even if the Chiefs could draft Ryan, they’d have to wonder who’d be blocking for him. It makes no sense to commit a high pick to a quarterback if you can’t protect him, and the Chiefs stand three starters short of a decent line. When the Browns drafted Quinn, they’d already solidified their protection by taking Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas with the third overall pick.

Houston’s David Carr was a classic case of a highly drafted quarterback who received scant protection. The first overall pick in 2002, he was sacked 249 times during his first years as a Texan. Recently released by the Panthers, it’s tough to know whether Carr ever had the tools to win in the NFL. But it’s fair to say it was hard for him to develop while staring at the sky.

If the Chiefs consider drafting Ryan, they need to be convinced he’s a “can’t-miss” prospect, project him as the opening-day starter and feel confident they can quickly rebuild their offensive line. The chances of Ryan being the real deal and getting enough protection to help the Chiefs progress this year appear remote. It would come as a surprise if they draft him.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/04...f_ryans_there/

Deberg_1990 · 04-10-2008, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho

"The Chiefs haven’t committed a first-round pick for a quarterback since they misfired with Penn State’s Todd Blackledge in 1983."

Uhhh... Trent Green

A draft pick. Or do you mean the #1 pick they gave up for him??

BigVE · 04-10-2008, 05:29 PM

Eh, some of you fall in love with a guy every year and thats fine...Ryan is not for me. If we sign him that's fine by me, if not, no big deal for me. The ONE guy I would take is J. Long but it's doubtful he will make it to us at 5. Several good choices and NOBODY will know if we made the "right pick" for a while...could be years.

Coogs · 04-10-2008, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigVE

Eh, some of you fall in love with a guy every year and thats fine...Ryan is not for me. If we sign him that's fine by me, if not, no big deal for me. The ONE guy I would take is J. Long but it's doubtful he will make it to us at 5. Several good choices and NOBODY will know if we made the "right pick" for a while...could be years.

See post #2.

BigVE · 04-10-2008, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs

See post #2.

Nice one...what about it?

el borracho · 04-10-2008, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

A draft pick. Or do you mean the #1 pick they gave up for him??

The article states that the Chiefs have not commited a first round pick to a QB since Blackledge; that is not true. We gave the Rams a first round pick (#13, IIRC) to get Green. I remember it because I wanted us to pick up QB Collins in free-agency and draft Deuce McAllister and get Green for free in free-agency the next year. Apparently, Carl couldn't wait one year because it was oh-so-important to have Green in 2001 so he could teach Minnis and C. Thomas the playbook and go 6-10 while throwing 400 interceptions.

**The Franchise** · 04-10-2008, 05:56 PM

Holy hell they mean draft a QB with our 1st pick. Jesus people.

Coogs · 04-10-2008, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigVE

Nice one...what about it?

Just wanted you to know if I had my preference, it would be Jake Long. If he is gone, Ryan may not be a bad option. Most all of my other posts were all in defense of Ryan.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-10-2008, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

If the Chiefs don't pick him, try not to cry as he quarterbacks the Jets or Ravens into the super bowl in a few years, while Chiefs management keeps you all baffled with bullshit.

A ****ing men.

Brodie Croyle is a glass vag, who will never, ever have the same success at Ryan at this level.

The only defense I've ever seen win a Super Bowl with a completely shitty QB is the Baltimore Ravens and I don't think I'll ever see a defense that dominant again.

el borracho · 04-10-2008, 06:04 PM

Well, why don't they say what they mean and mean what they say? Words have meanings; or does the author buy into the Humpty Dumpty school of thought where words mean whatever he wants them to mean?

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-10-2008, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

If the Chiefs don't pick him, try not to cry as he quarterbacks the Jets or Ravens into the super bowl in a few years, while Chiefs management keeps you all baffled with bullshit.

Give me a fuckIN break

, already proclaiming him a SB QB before even playing a down in the NFL

eazyb81 · 04-10-2008, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigVE

Several good choices and NOBODY will know if we made the "right pick" for a while...could be years.

Such is life.

That's why no matter who we pick, I am not going to go crazy and think the franchise is doomed or headed for a SB. There's just too much uncertainty to get too high or low off of one player when no one knows how he will pan out.

eazyb81 · 04-10-2008, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

A ****ing men.

Brodie Croyle is a glass vag, who will never, ever have the same success at Ryan at this level.

The only defense I've ever seen win a Super Bowl with a completely shitty QB is the Baltimore Ravens and I don't think I'll ever see a defense that dominant again.

Dude, haven't you heard Croyle has a strong arm? Apparently that's all you need to succeed in the NFL according to some on here.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-10-2008, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Dude, haven't you heard Croyle has a strong arm? Apparently that's all you need to succeed in the NFL according to some on here.

According to who, specifically?

TEX · 04-10-2008, 06:58 PM

What should the Chiefs do if Matt Ryan from Boston College, considered the standout quarterback in this draft, is sitting there when it’s time to make the fifth overall pick?
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Draft him and don't look back. Then they can throw out the trash after the season and get a fresh start, with Ryan, in '09. This one's easy IMO.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-10-2008, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX

What should the Chiefs do if Matt Ryan from Boston College, considered the standout quarterback in this draft, is sitting there when it’s time to make the fifth overall pick?
_________________________________________________________________

Draft him and don't look back. Then they can throw out the trash after the season and get a fresh start, with Ryan, in '09. This one's easy IMO.

If we DO take him, I don't see the point of waiting until 2009 to start him - get him out there and break his ass in. We have little/nothing to play for as it is.

Otherwise, you're spending a Top 5 pick on a guy that won't likely make an impact until 2011, if he makes one at all.

04-10-2008, 04:27 PM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Jonathan Rand: What if (Matt) Ryan's there? What if Ryan's there? Apr 10, 2008, 2:15:51 AM by Jonathan Rand What should the Chiefs do if Matt Ryan from Boston College, considered the standout quarterback in this draft, is sitting there when it’s time to make the fifth overall pick? Thousands of Chiefs fans would be screaming, “Take him!” Some of these same fans, no doubt, were throwing chairs at their big screens last year as the Chiefs declined to trade up during Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn’s free fall. The Browns traded up with the Cowboys to grab Quinn at number 22 and the Chiefs, sitting chilly in the 23rd spot, took LSU wide receiver Dwayne Bowe. Quinn, whom many fans urged the Browns to draft with the third overall pick, now backs up Derek Anderson — a sixth-round choice in 2005 who was waived by the Ravens. Bowe enjoyed a standout rookie season. Had the Chiefs traded up, they would have lost Bowe and an extra high draft pick that they would have had to give to the Cowboys. For the Chiefs, trading up would have been a big mistake. Drafting quarterbacks is a lot trickier than you might think. The list of first-round busts at this position is much longer than the list of first-round successes, which is bizarre when you consider how much tape, statistics and workout information is generated by quarterbacks. But the adjustment from college football to the NFL is so dramatic that “can’t-miss” quarterbacks are few and far between. We still don’t know if JaMarcus Russell, the LSU quarterback picked first overall by the Raiders a year ago, was a wise pick. The Chiefs need, first and foremost, a top-flight offensive tackle. But if Michigan’s Jake Long is one of the top four picks, the next-best tackle may not be a good enough athlete to justify taking with the fifth pick. The Chiefs could then try to trade down or take the best player still available. And what if they consider Ryan to be that player? Chiefs coach Herm Edwards attended Ryan’s campus workout, and should have an educated opinion on whether he’s a superior prospect to incumbent Brodie Croyle. Ryan, 6 feet 5 and 224, gets positive reviews for his size, arm and ability to throw on the run. The Chiefs haven’t committed a first-round pick for a quarterback since they misfired with Penn State’s Todd Blackledge in 1983. Considering their long-term failure to develop a young passer, is it time now for them to finally take the plunge? Even if the Chiefs could draft Ryan, they’d have to wonder who’d be blocking for him. It makes no sense to commit a high pick to a quarterback if you can’t protect him, and the Chiefs stand three starters short of a decent line. When the Browns drafted Quinn, they’d already solidified their protection by taking Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas with the third overall pick. Houston’s David Carr was a classic case of a highly drafted quarterback who received scant protection. The first overall pick in 2002, he was sacked 249 times during his first years as a Texan. Recently released by the Panthers, it’s tough to know whether Carr ever had the tools to win in the NFL. But it’s fair to say it was hard for him to develop while staring at the sky. If the Chiefs consider drafting Ryan, they need to be convinced he’s a “can’t-miss” prospect, project him as the opening-day starter and feel confident they can quickly rebuild their offensive line. The chances of Ryan being the real deal and getting enough protection to help the Chiefs progress this year appear remote. It would come as a surprise if they draft him. http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/04...f_ryans_there/
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BigVE Veteran Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: centralKs Casino cash: $10005250	Eh, some of you fall in love with a guy every year and thats fine...Ryan is not for me. If we sign him that's fine by me, if not, no big deal for me. The ONE guy I would take is J. Long but it's doubtful he will make it to us at 5. Several good choices and NOBODY will know if we made the "right pick" for a while...could be years. __________________ Meh.
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TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Galveston, TX Casino cash: $-1446873	What should the Chiefs do if Matt Ryan from Boston College, considered the standout quarterback in this draft, is sitting there when it’s time to make the fifth overall pick? _________________________________________________________________ Draft him and don't look back. Then they can throw out the trash after the season and get a fresh start, with Ryan, in '09. This one's easy IMO. __________________ "Do we have time to run WASP?"
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