Walsh Gives NFL 8 Tapes of Pats Cheating

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Yes we do know what they did, clown. So take your "elite" cheating team and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

I'm havign more fun on Sundays in the fall, and I"m perfectly happy with my Dynasty team. I know you don't like hearing how Brady is better than Elway, but he certainly has done more with less than HorseFace ever did.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I'm havign more fun on Sundays in the fall, and I"m perfectly happy with my Dynasty team. I know you don't like hearing how Brady is better than Elway, but he certainly has done more with less than HorseFace ever did.

Now that you've gotten that out of your system. There is no way that Tom Brady is a better QB than John Elway was. Don't insult yourself. Don't get me wrong, Tom Brady is good. I feel confident that his success has nothing to do with reviewing video tape of defense signals. He is however not the athlete on the field that John Elway was.

And Tom Brady has always had as much or more than John Elway ever did from a talent perspective. I doubt you followed the Broncos enough in the 80's to actually know what you are talking about.

[Chief Faithful]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Now that you've gotten that out of your system. There is no way that Tom Brady is a better QB than John Elway was. Don't insult yourself. Don't get me wrong, Tom Brady is good. I feel confident that his success has nothing to do with reviewing video tape of defense signals. He is however not the athlete on the field that John Elway was.

And Tom Brady has always had as much or more than John Elway ever did from a talent perspective. I doubt you followed the Broncos enough in the 80's to actually know what you are talking about.

On this point, Garcia, we agree. Elway did more year after year with less talent than any QB in history. Elway was the best QB I've seen play the game.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

On this point, Garcia, we agree. Elway did more year after year with less talent than any QB in history. Elway was the best QB I've seen play the game.

I think he was the greatest athlete to play the position. He is certainly in the discussion about the greatest ever. To me that includes Sammie Baugh, John U, Otto Graham, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, and Tom Brady as well.

I think the only guy around now that could surpass Elway in the athlete discussion is JaMarcus Russell.

[RNR]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I think he was the greatest athlete to play the position. He is certainly in the discussion about the greatest ever. To me that includes Sammie Baugh, John U, Otto Graham, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, and Tom Brady as well.

I think the only guy around now that could surpass Elway in the athlete discussion is JaMarcus Russell.

I hope you are right but there is a world of difference between what might be and what is. The kid has a long way to go.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I think he was the greatest athlete to play the position. He is certainly in the discussion about the greatest ever. To me that includes Sammie Baugh, John U, Otto Graham, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, and Tom Brady as well.

I think the only guy around now that could surpass Elway in the athlete discussion is JaMarcus Russell.

How many HOF'ers has Brady had on his teams? Heck, how many All Pros/Pro Bowlers?

And "athlete" isn't all that important, is it? We're talking about QBs, not decathletes. Michael Vick was the best damn athlete in the NFL probably, certainly among QBs, but that didn't mean he won games.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

How many HOF'ers has Brady had on his teams? Heck, how many All Pros/Pro Bowlers?

And "athlete" isn't all that important, is it? We're talking about QBs, not decathletes. Michael Vick was the best damn athlete in the NFL probably, certainly among QBs, but that didn't mean he won games.

To this point John Elway played with zero HOFer's. Zimmerman goes in this year. We aren't even far enough along to see who will be in the HOF with Brady. You've got no point there. As far as the Pro Bowler aspect, that's a popularity contest. Like your left tackle, he made it to the pro bowl this season. He was the most popular LT in the Super Bowl this season too. They were calling his name out all night.

And "athletic" is very important, but you would be right that's it's not the only thing. There is the mental aspect to being successful. John Elway had both.

[RNR]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

How many HOF'ers has Brady had on his teams? Heck, how many All Pros/Pro Bowlers?

And "athlete" isn't all that important, is it? We're talking about QBs, not decathletes. Michael Vick was the best damn athlete in the NFL probably, certainly among QBs, but that didn't mean he won games.

To compare Vick to Elway is just silly, Brady is on the list of those talked about in terms of alltime greats and he is far from done. That said I have seen many of those on the list play and Elway stands out as the best to me. The Patriots have had a heck of a run and IMO with Elway behind center they would be even better.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

To compare Vick to Elway is just silly, Brady is on the list of those talked about in terms of alltime greats and he is far from done. That said I have seen many of those on the list play and Elway stands out as the best to me. The Patriots have had a heck of a run and IMO with Elway behind center they would be even better.

Hey, do you mind? I'm trying to dial him up and you keep interrupting.

[RNR]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

On this point, Garcia, we agree. Elway did more year after year with less talent than any QB in history. Elway was the best QB I've seen play the game.

Agreed cussed him hated the team he played for but he is the best I have seen also

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Now that you've gotten that out of your system. There is no way that Tom Brady is a better QB than John Elway was. Don't insult yourself. Don't get me wrong, Tom Brady is good. I feel confident that his success has nothing to do with reviewing video tape of defense signals. He is however not the athlete on the field that John Elway was.

And Tom Brady has always had as much or more than John Elway ever did from a talent perspective. I doubt you followed the Broncos enough in the 80's to actually know what you are talking about.

I would argue that Randall Cunningham, Donavan McNabb, Michael Vick, and even Bobby Douglass are/were more athletic.

What Elway did better than anyone was combine his athletic ability with his ability to make plays in the passing game, with only Steve Young and Fran Tarkenton as real contenders.