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Old 05-15-2008, 08:01 PM  
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Worst Security Breach in US History?
Chinese Counterfeit Cisco Routers

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FBI: China may use counterfeit Cisco routers to penetrate U.S. networks
An FBI presentation states that China has counterfeited Cisco Systems network routers and may be using the equipment to penetrate U.S. government and private sector computer networks.

Federal authorities in February seized some 400 counterfeit Cisco Systems knockoffs worth $76 million. The equipment included routers, switches, gigabit interface converters and WAN interface cards.
Among the purchasers of the fake equipment were the U.S. Naval Academy, U.S. Naval Air Warfare Center, U.S. Naval Undersea Warfare Center, U.S. Air Base at Spangdahelm, Germany, the Bonneville Power Administration, General Services Administration, and the defense contractor Raytheon, which makes key missile and weapons systems.

The FBI briefing slides on the case stated that while there are “intelligence gaps” on why the Chinese made the counterfeit equipment it could have been for profit or as part of a state-sponsored operation.
Additionally the scope of the Chinese counterfeit equipment may extend beyond routers to include fake IT equipment such as PCs and printers.
Under a section titled “The Threat,” the FBI described the effort as “IT subversion/supply chain attack” that could “cause immediate or premature system failure during usage.”
The counterfeit equipment also could be used to “gain access to otherwise secure systems” and to “weaken cryptographic systems.”
The briefing slide said the Chinese information warfare efforts require “intimate access to target systems.”
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Old 05-15-2008, 09:38 PM   #16
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I also don't think we're strong enough to fight wars on two fronts simultaneously, while still protecting our own shores. It's going to be a tough balance.
Not currently. That would require a *wait for it*...............Draft.
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Old 05-15-2008, 09:42 PM   #17
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I see wars on different fronts, Russia/Iran and against China over Taiwan, but I don't think they'll be directly allied.

I also don't think we're strong enough to fight wars on two fronts simultaneously, while still protecting our own shores. It's going to be a tough balance.
No worries, Mr. keg in kc. That's why we have the satellites that shoot the giant, mega beams of devastating plasma that can level a city and have you home in time for raisin bran.

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Old 05-15-2008, 09:51 PM   #18
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No worries, Mr. keg in kc. That's why we have the satellites that shoot the giant, mega beams of devastating plasma that can level a city and have you home in time for raisin bran.
Raisin Bran.

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Old 05-15-2008, 10:03 PM   #19
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Raisin Bran.

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OMG.

Don't tell me those aren't really raisins.

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Old 05-15-2008, 10:14 PM   #20
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Old 05-16-2008, 12:06 AM   #21
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Lol...God forbid we find out what USA hacks over there...
"LOL"? That's just the attitude that's going to see us buried. When will people wake up? We're going to have an economic earthquake in America and then it'll be too late. We spent so many years, dollars and lives fighting communism and now we're giving away all that we (and our previous generations) have worked so hard for. Giving it away to a ruthless communist regime.

And it's not just poisoned food (most of which has not been reported in the mainstream media) and poisoned products. It's the insidious infiltration of our economy and politics. (The freaking FDA wouldn NOT release vital information on the Chinese vendors in the Heparin debacle to Congress because of Chinese influences.) The power and influence they wield is extraordinary. And they're ruthless with the execution of that power. For example, Chinese companies frequently "dump" (sell for less than cost) products in the US while getting secret subsidies from the Chinese government. This drives US companies out of the market and leads to bankruptcies and job losses. Hell, entire industries have been lost. And then the Chinese suck the profit from their monopoly.

And China (enjoying record trade surpluses with the US) has incredible control of the US currency. If China continues to shift its nearly one and a half trillion dollars from its national currency reserve to what it considers more "stable" currencies, the impact here in our great country would be devastating.

China has its tentacles stretched not only throughout the United States, but throughout the entire world. Mandarin-language is being taught in schools around the globe. Governments and economies are being shaped right now by China's will. Whether it's oil in the Middle East and Africa, natural gas in Australia, wood from South American rainforests, or vast expanses of rubber tree farms in Laos, the Chinese are on the move. Like swarms of locusts, devouring all that is before them.

"LOL"? Not really.
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Amen, Mr. T-post Tom. Amen.

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Old 05-16-2008, 12:33 AM   #23
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The thing that will be interesting is the U.S. counter measure that we will never hear about
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I was talking to a friend of mine thats in the military and he said with the straightest of faces that he fears China and that that is the sentiment among military people right now.

China has all the power over us to control out economy, lets just hope they don't decide to play with that power...
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:08 AM   #25
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I see wars on different fronts, Russia/Iran and against China over Taiwan, but I don't think they'll be directly allied.

I also don't think we're strong enough to fight wars on two fronts simultaneously, while still protecting our own shores. It's going to be a tough balance.
you are absolutely correct. Ive been saying that our military is spread too thin for a while now, and it's just leaving us more vulnerable on our home front and makes it a lot harder for us to go anywhere other than the middle east...
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Not currently. That would require a *wait for it*...............Draft.
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I was talking to a friend of mine thats in the military and he said with the straightest of faces that he fears China and that that is the sentiment among military people right now.

China has all the power over us to control out economy, lets just hope they don't decide to play with that power...
China is going to "play" with the largest market they have? They're going to "play" with a nation that they've invested in to this degree?

I'd bet against it for now.
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China is going to "play" with the largest market they have? They're going to "play" with a nation that they've invested in to this degree?

I'd bet against it for now.
yah, id bet against it for now as well, but they do have the power over the most powerful country in the world's economy, so we must go about china very delicately
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yah, id bet against it for now as well, but they do have the power over the most powerful country in the world's economy, so we must go about china very delicately
Agreed.
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Not only did they produce Cisco knock-offs - they called the company Huawei and it is now legit. They have been trying to break into the US networking market for 3 - 4 years. Most of the code is copied from Cisco and they have been sued for it......tough to sue a Chinese company (until they start doing business in NA).

Eventually Cisco caved (see below) when they saw the potential of the Chinese market.

Huawei, Cisco settle IPR dispute
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Updated: 2004-07-30 00:41

Networking giant Cisco Systems Inc has agreed to settle a lawsuit with Chinese rival Huawei Technologies Co.

Under the deal announced on Wednesday, which finalizes a tentative agreement reached in October, Huawei will revise its command-line interface, user manuals, help screens and some source code to address Cisco's concerns on routers and switches. Financial terms were not disclosed, though each party must pay its own legal fees.

"The completion of this lawsuit marks a victory for the protection of intellectual property rights," said Mark Chandler, Cisco's general counsel. "We are pleased to conclude the litigation as a result of the steps that were taken to address our concerns."

Stanley Young, an attorney representing Huawei, said his client welcomed the final resolution to the case.

"Huawei certainly looks forward to competing in the marketplace on its merits," he said.

"We are very satisfied with the result, which shows that Huawei Techonogies is worthy of trust by our customers," Huawei Technologies spokesman Fu Jun said in Shenzhen Thursday in an telephone interview with China Daily.

"Hua Wei has always respected and protected intellectual property rights, investing heavily on product research and development," Fu added. "Before the lawsuit, Huawei had already taken initiatives to amend our controversial products to avoid further disputes and enhance our competitiveness in a bid to further explore the overseas market."

Fu also said the case didn't affect Huawei's business in the international market, which has seen a rapid increases in recent years.

The Shenzhen-based Huawei is trying to jump into the corporate router and switch market that Cisco dominates.

Last year, Huawei and 3Com Corp announced a joint venture to develop and manufacture enterprise-class networking equipment.

The lawsuit, originally filed in January 2003 at the US District Court in Marshall, Texas, claimed Huawei and two US-based subsidiaries not only copied protected parts of Cisco technology but also infringed on at least five patents.

In September, the companies announced a six-month stay in the lawsuit pending a third-party review of Huawei's products. That was extended in April.

At the time, Huawei had already discontinued the sale of products in contention and agreed to sell only new and modified equipment. It also agreed to submit units for review by a neutral expert.
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