George Lucas lost his mind long ago

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

Also, before you say anything about Raiders of the Lost Ark being a mouthful, it's almost never called that. It's usually "raiders". I don't think you can shorten this to "kingdom" though.

LucasFilm officially changed it to "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark" years ago, for continuity.

FWIW, I'm not expecting much from Crystal Skull. I know it won't be as good as Raiders and probably not as entertaining as Last Crusade.

I just hope it's better than Temple. That movie didn't appeal to me at all.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

LucasFilm officially changed it to Indiana Jones and the Raider of the Lost Ark years ago, for continuity.

FWIW, I'm not expecting much from Crystal Skull. I know it won't be as good as Raiders and probably not as entertaining as Last Crusade.

I just hope it's better than Temple. That movie didn't appeal to me at all.

INDAY COVA YA HART!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

INDAY COVA YA HART!

Lucas was going through a terrible divorce at the time (hence, the "heart" being ripped out of the characters) but MAN, was that movie bad or what?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

probably not as entertaining as Last Crusade.

You think so???...to me Last Crusade was the "Return of the Jedi" of that series, it wont be too hard to top IMO.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by scott free

You think so???...to me Last Crusade was the "Return of the Jedi" of that series, it wont be too hard to top IMO.

If that was Return of the Jedi, then Temple of Doom was The Phantom Menace: director's cut.

I'm guessing KotCS comes in 3rd out of 4.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

If that was Return of the Jedi, then Temple of Doom was The Phantom Menace: director's cut.

I'm guessing KotCS comes in 3rd out of 4.

And I loved Phantom Menace. It's right behind Empire & the original for me.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And I loved Phantom Menace. It's right behind Empire & the original for me.

Different strokes.

I thought it was by far the worst. I'd go ESB, ANH, RotJ, AotC, RotS and then TPM.

The only thing in RotJ I didn't like were the childishness of the ewoks when they were introduced, but I thought the way the final act was constructed was a thing of beauty. The last 20 minutes or so of that film are epic.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Different strokes.

I thought it was by far the worst. I'd go ESB, ANH, RotJ, AotC, RotS and then TPM.

The only thing in RotJ I didn't like were the childishness of the ewoks when they were introduced, but I thought the way the final act was constructed was a thing of beauty. The last 20 minutes or so of that film are epic.

I'd go with this line up:

ESB, ANH, RotJ, RotS, AotC and then TPM.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

I'd go with this line up:

ESB, ANH, RotJ, RotS, AotC and then TPM.

My order as well.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Different strokes.

I thought it was by far the worst. I'd go ESB, ANH, RotJ, AotC, RotS and then TPM.

The only thing in RotJ I didn't like were the childishness of the ewoks when they were introduced, but I thought the way the final act was constructed was a thing of beauty. The last 20 minutes or so of that film are epic.

I agree, the last 20 minutes were epic. It's just that to me, the entire movie should have been epic. It was the last of the series and it came across as lame (especially the original ending with the goofy Muppet-Show music at the end, as well as the original Jabba music scene). I just thought that the story could have moved along much further without seeing the Droid nonsense and Luke fighting the Rancor (which looked terrible).

I was expecting Godfather II and I got Johnny Dangerously.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'm guessing KotCS comes in 3rd out of 4.

Thats what i'm guessing, but hoping its more like #2 in line.

Dane, i dunno...it just seems like that dark & dangerous vibe is missing from Crusade, hopefully those guys have their finger on the new pulse...darker & edgier is better. The best stuff in Crusade to me is that they actually shot in the stone city of Petra.

Nonetheless, like GoChiefs sig...its nice to feel 12 years old again, look at all of us old men jawing about it like kids .

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by scott free

Thats what i'm guessing, but hoping its more like #2 in line.

Dane, i dunno...it just seems like that dark & dangerous vibe is missing from Crusade, hopefully those guys have their finger on the new pulse...darker & edgier is better. The best stuff in Crusade to me is that they actually shot in the stone city of Petra.

Nonetheless, like GoChiefs sig...its nice to feel 12 years old again, look at all of us old men jawing about it like kids .

Yeah, I guess "dark & dangerous" is missing, especially since they showed the Nazi's as bumbling idiots (Hitler signing his father's diary?). But I still enjoyed the movie because the actors really appeared to have fun in their roles and the story was fun as well.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Crystal Skull will be more entertaining than the previous sequels.

But I'm not betting on it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by scott free

You think so???...to me Last Crusade was the "Return of the Jedi" of that series, it wont be too hard to top IMO.

Really? I hated Return - I think it was the worst of the 6 movies but I thoroughly enjoyed Crusade. I liked River as young Indy and Connery as Senior. Even though I own the box set, I can't turn off Crusade anytime it's on broadcast television.

I can't change the channel quick enough when "Temple" is on and "Return" (at least to me) is worthless outside of the Vader/Emperor/Luke scenes which again (IMO) there aren't nearly enough.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Really? I hated Return - I think it was the worst of the 6 movies but I thoroughly enjoyed Crusade. I liked River as young Indy and Connery as Senior. Even though I own the box set, I can't turn off Crusade anytime it's on broadcast television.

I can't change the channel quick enough when "Temple" is on and "Return" (at least to me) is worthless outside of the Vader/Emperor/Luke scenes which again (IMO) there aren't nearly enough.

You thought Return of the Jedi was the worst of ALL the Star Wars movies - original and new?

There's no way it could be as bad as 1 or 2.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

You thought Return of the Jedi was the worst of ALL the Star Wars movies - original and new?

There's no way it could be as bad as 1 or 2.

Yeah, I do.

Thematically, it was identical to "A New Hope" (Star Wars). There was nothing new or fresh about the locales, no new information was revealed, the Muppet-like Ewoks were a lame addition (it really did feel like the Muppet Show, especially during the battle scene) and with the exception of the battle between Luke & Vader on the Death Star, there was just nothing really worth watching. Lucas has even stated that if he were to do it all over, he'd have written a different script and had directed it himself (for better or worse).

I didn't care for AOTC. It had its moments (Any scene with Kenobi & Jango Fett) but I hated the yellowish-brown haze of Geonosis, the lightsaber battles looked fake and contrived, Sam Jackson was a HORRIBLE casting choice and there wasn't enough Christopher Lee or political intrigue (which is what I admired about TPM).

I also thought Ben Burtt absolutely butchered the score in the edit bay (and John Williams was pissed about that, from what I heard at the time) and the "romance" between Anakin & Padme was forced and fake at best. I also wish they would have cast ANYONE other than Hayden (Or Ryan Phillipe) as Anakin.

As for the Phantom Menace, I thought it was awesome. Absolutely awesome. It showed the Jedi, just before their decline. Liam Neeson was everything that I imagined as a Jedi (wise but powerful), Darth Maul was an insanely talented evil assassin and Senator Palpatine was at his devilish best. I loved the fact that the movie moved slowly (unlike the ridiculous pacing of AOTC) and I enjoyed the back story, especially the Pod Racing sequence.

I thought it looked beautiful (especially Naboo. Exteriors shot in Italy and the rest CGI) and I absolutely believe that it was John Williams best score ever. It's a masterpiece (and I've had many a conductor agree with that assessment).