Picture of a ghost?

[BIG_DADDY]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1216051.ece

[Dartgod]

I gotta agree with fish on this one. It does look like a camera strap that got in the way.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Sorry bub... but I'm calling them like I see em. Do you still have the camera in question? If you do... take a look at the strap. I'll bet you'll see the same interwoven "fish scale" braid pattern that showed up on the pic. It's pretty common.










As you can see in the last pic.... Baxter is clearly devouring the would-be ghost.

Now compare that to yours and decide for yourself....

3 Things.

It did have a strap, a thick, black, flat sandisk strap. It was around my wrist and when attempted many, many times afterwords could never produced anything even remotely resembling that. Once again to me there really are no definates this was just an open discussion on possibilities. THat picture doesn't mean anything. The arrogance you have shown everyone in this thread who would even consider there is a possibility that we are something more than our hide or that there may be something spiritual out there is ridiculous. Like I said before you can't prove that they don't yet you spike the ball and parade around like you just returned the ball for 109 yards.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Light reflects off of heat??

How so? Please explain. I seem to recall heat being a form of energy.

Yes light can reflect off of heat.. You are the one that wanted proof that you can get an image of something without a physical body.. Heat does not have a physical body unless you want to qualify atoms and molecules as that.. Of course if you agree to that then everything has a physical body and you are proved wrong again..

Of course it seems you are more concerned about looking like a douche then anything..

And I agree that that is a camera strap.. The church video is probably some church ceremony where they have a flag on a pole.. And the OP picture looks to be a time lapsed picture..

[RNR]

Dang BD you said your last thread about this died, this one seemed to gather interest.

[Stewie]

It's a strap. The camera flash is even reflecting off of it.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

3 Things.

It did have a strap, a thick, black, flat sandisk strap. It was around my wrist and when attempted many, many times afterwords could never produced anything even remotely resembling that. Once again to me there really are no definates this was just an open discussion on possibilities. THat picture doesn't mean anything. The arrogance you have shown everyone in this thread who would even consider there is a possibility that we are something more than our hide or that there may be something spiritual out there is ridiculous. Like I said before you can't prove that they don't yet you spike the ball and parade around like you just returned the ball for 109 yards.

If this was an open discussion, why are you saying I'm arrogant for proposing alternate possibilities? Is this only an open discussion if I agree with you?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Stewie

It's a strap. The camera flash is even reflecting off of it.

My intention was not for this picture to make that big of a deal. I never claimed it to be anything necessarily . First of all the only picture there that is mine is the one of the dog. Secondly it had a big flat black strap. Thirdly it was around my wrist when I looked at the picture. The last thing I noticed that was different was that you can actually see through parts of it. For what it's worth.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Feel free to prove otherwise...... I'll gladly listen to your rebuttal and respectfully discuss the subject.

But I'm going to point out a camera strap or a silly physics misconception when I see it. Prove me wrong and I will gladly admit to it.

Do you ever see the wavy air coming off of the hot pavement?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

If this was an open discussion, why are you saying I'm arrogant for proposing alternate possibilities? Is this only an open discussion if I agree with you?

This has nothing to do with me, it has to do with your arrogance when posting to everyone in this thread since it began. I haven't had any issues with you other than pointing out your arrogance. I really don't want to go down a road that leads nowhere either

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Yes light can reflect off of heat.. You are the one that wanted proof that you can get an image of something without a physical body.. Heat does not have a physical body unless you want to qualify atoms and molecules as that.. Of course if you agree to that then everything has a physical body and you are proved wrong again..

Of course it seems you are more concerned about looking like a douche then anything..

And I agree that that is a camera strap.. The church video is probably some church ceremony where they have a flag on a pole.. And the OP picture looks to be a time lapsed picture..

Heat is energy. Heat has no atoms or molecules. It is the transfer of kinetic energy. There is no substance to it. Light does not reflect off of another form of energy.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

My intention was not for this picture to make that big of a deal. I never claimed it to be anything necessarily . First of all the only picture there that is mine is the one of the dog. Secondly it had a big flat black strap. Thirdly it was around my wrist when I looked at the picture. The last thing I noticed that was different was that you can actually see through parts of it. For what it's worth.

It's not a big deal in my opinion. I know which picture you took and since you're shooting a subject almost directly below you the strap will be in front of the lens. It also may appear you can see through part of the strap because it's swinging and your shutter speed isn't fast enough to eliminate the effect.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Do you ever see the wavy air coming off of the hot pavement?

Yes I have. That's light being refracted. Not reflected.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Yes light can reflect off of heat..

This is absolutely inaccurate.

[Hawk]

KC Fish, It's fine to disagree, but you act as though you are right unless someone can prove you wrong. Well what about the opposite? Why isn't BD or anyone else on here with a ghost story or supernatural experience right unless you can prove them wrong? Of course the answer is that on this subject, nobody really knows for sure, so you parading around like a holier-than-thou know-it-all rubs people the wrong way, especially those who have experienced strange occurrences. You don't know for sure that ghosts don't exist any more than others can prove that they do.

My father died when I was 12, and since then I have had a few experiences where I felt like he was present . . . protecting me in each case. I of course cannot prove it to anyone, and really don't care to, but you can blather on til your blue in the face and you will never convince me otherwise because I know what I experienced and felt.

I also know for a fact that I have dreamed things that later happened. Sort of like Deja vu I guess. But on at least two occasions I had vivid dreams about people and places that made no sense to me at the time of the dream, but then sometime later in my life, everything would come together and happen exactly like the dream. That my friends is an eerie and overwhelming sensation when it happens.

I don't know if ghosts are real, but experiences like these have opened my mind to the liklihood that there are things in this world...spiritual, supernatural, whatever...that go beyond the normal accepted physical world that can be proven or unproven by science.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Yes I have. That's light being refracted. Not reflected.

doesn't matter...energy is interacting with the light. Now you are trying to split hairs.