Fire Herm Edwards NOW!!!

[ptlyon]

I warned you... It was coming. Late but **** it.

Too tired to elaborate, but for ****s sakes, ELIMINATE THIS BASTARD!!!

Til next week...
PTL

Peace

Out

P.S. - Why isn't there a FIRE HERM EDWARDS prefix?

[Dartgod]

Hehe. See how this thread looks on my Windows task bar?

[Rain Man]

I think too often people get coaching jobs not because they're bright, but because they're former players or they know people or they just get pulled along with some other coach.

I was watching one of those NFL Network Super Bowl shows, and Bill Belichick was talking about game-planning. I think it was against the Ravens. He said that they were quite happy on defense, because offensive tackle Orlando Brown had a specific stance that he took 100% of the time when the play was a pass, and a different stance that he took 100% of the time when the play was a run. (The story continued that Orlando Brown was a game-day scratch, but that's irrelevant.)

What amazed me is that the Ravens or whoever have an offensive line coach, and that coach never noticed this? The guy's job is to know and understand and teach a group of 8 or 9 players, and he never noticed that his starting offensive tackle has a 100% giveaway in his stance? This is the NFL, with all the money in the world and all the power to hire the best people, and some team has a coach who doesn't notice this?

If I was an owner, I would hire the smartest game-planner and game-day coach, and the odds are very, very low that it would be a former player. They're 0.0001 percent of the population.

There's way too much of a good ol' boy network in the NFL.

[R&GHomer]

Originally Posted by Claythan

Carl will never fire Herm. He didn't fire Dick.

They're going to get the axe together.

Pretty much. ****em both!

[penchief]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Yeah, it pretty much has to get better from where Herm took the team. Its all good, Herm is a genious.

Oh, I don't know. Vermeil didn't exactly leave this team with much. As I pointed out, only three draft picks from Vermeil's entire five year tenure are still on this team (LJ, DJ, and Colquitt).

I'm not so sure this team wasn't in for a steep decline regardless of who the next coach was. I'm not trying to be contrary. I just think that Edwards doesn't deserve as much grief as he gets. In some aspects he's done a nice job.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

The teams Gunther coached were already in disarray from the meltdown this team had in '98.

IMO coached well with what he had to work with. Those 2 years were terrible and we really didn't deserve to have a record like we did (16-16)

Now Gunther is a coach that I think is in over his head.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

What I don't understand is why people think this???

Never have I heard anything that supports this. Nor have I ever heard of any player saying that they don't like playing for a certain coach.

This statement is just based off of the fact that Herm once played in this league, therefore people assume that he's a "Player's Coach."

Truth is hes a huge ****ing idiot and I can guarantee that no one likes playing for a proven loser. Eventually (and just like last year) this team is going to give up on what he's trying to do because it's simply not working.

I guess it goes back to whether or not players respond to coaching or not. So far, it appears as though they are. At least, that has to be one measure of it. The fact that he can coach them up and get them ready to play says something about they way young players respond to their coach, IMO.

Look, I'm not saying Edwards is the greatest coach since sliced bread. But I do give him credit for changing the culture and attitude of the team. Bringing in a lot of good young talent. And getting that young talent ready to play. I also give him credit for turning around a defense that was humiliating to watch.

All I'm saying is that I don't think he deserves as much hate as he gets.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think too often people get coaching jobs not because they're bright, but because they're former players or they know people or they just get pulled along with some other coach.

I was watching one of those NFL Network Super Bowl shows, and Bill Belichick was talking about game-planning. I think it was against the Ravens. He said that they were quite happy on defense, because offensive tackle Orlando Brown had a specific stance that he took 100% of the time when the play was a pass, and a different stance that he took 100% of the time when the play was a run. (The story continued that Orlando Brown was a game-day scratch, but that's irrelevant.)

What amazed me is that the Ravens or whoever have an offensive line coach, and that coach never noticed this? The guy's job is to know and understand and teach a group of 8 or 9 players, and he never noticed that his starting offensive tackle has a 100% giveaway in his stance? This is the NFL, with all the money in the world and all the power to hire the best people, and some team has a coach who doesn't notice this?

If I was an owner, I would hire the smartest game-planner and game-day coach, and the odds are very, very low that it would be a former player. They're 0.0001 percent of the population.

There's way too much of a good ol' boy network in the NFL.

What's odd is that Al Davis does it so differently. He hired Lane Kiffin because he basically gave the guy like a six-hour test during their interview, had a white board and shit, and threw all this football stuff at him. Kiffin apparently passed the test.

Then Al Davis goes out and takes away all of Kiffin's power.

The NFL is so ****ed up. When people aren't hiring the right guy and handcuffing him, they're hiring the wrong guy and giving him all the power.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Claythan

The NFL is so ****ed up. When people aren't hiring the right guy and handcuffing him, they're hiring the wrong guy and giving him all the power.

Yeah. If I was GM, I'd hire cerebral people for all of the assistant and head coach positions, and their job would be to make the players and the game plans fundamentally sound. Then I'd hire 2 or 3 former players to go around and scream at players and get them all stoked up and serve as role models for success. I'd call them "Assistant Screaming Coaches".

[chiefsngop]

Demote Herm to draft assistant with no role in game planning.

He can help with the draft and spend rest of year being an ESPN sportscaster

[Pablo]

I'll get Carl on the phone ASAP and let him know yet another CP poster wants Herm fired.

This issue should be resolved by day's end.

[chiefsngop]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think too often people get coaching jobs not because they're bright, but because they're former players or they know people or they just get pulled along with some other coach.

I was watching one of those NFL Network Super Bowl shows, and Bill Belichick was talking about game-planning. I think it was against the Ravens. He said that they were quite happy on defense, because offensive tackle Orlando Brown had a specific stance that he took 100% of the time when the play was a pass, and a different stance that he took 100% of the time when the play was a run. (The story continued that Orlando Brown was a game-day scratch, but that's irrelevant.)

What amazed me is that the Ravens or whoever have an offensive line coach, and that coach never noticed this? The guy's job is to know and understand and teach a group of 8 or 9 players, and he never noticed that his starting offensive tackle has a 100% giveaway in his stance? This is the NFL, with all the money in the world and all the power to hire the best people, and some team has a coach who doesn't notice this?

If I was an owner, I would hire the smartest game-planner and game-day coach, and the odds are very, very low that it would be a former player. They're 0.0001 percent of the population.

There's way too much of a good ol' boy network in the NFL.

Happens everywhere, NCAA too.

Watched Notre Dame v. San Diego Saturday, told my wife just 5 minutes into the game that Notre Dame would have fumbling problems during the game.

Their running backs were carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. Sure enough they had 3 fumble that game. Why the hell didn't the coach's see something that I, average joe fan, could see coming ?

[JuicesFlowing]

If this thread was started because we lost our first game, then you have a long season ahead of you. Like it or not, Herm is not getting fired this year, period. Maybe after next season, at the earliest.

[Saleenman607]

Originally Posted by penchief

I guess it goes back to whether or not players respond to coaching or not. So far, it appears as though they are. At least, that has to be one measure of it. The fact that he can coach them up and get them ready to play says something about they way young players respond to their coach, IMO.

Look, I'm not saying Edwards is the greatest coach since sliced bread. But I do give him credit for changing the culture and attitude of the team. Bringing in a lot of good young talent. And getting that young talent ready to play. I also give him credit for turning around a defense that was humiliating to watch.

All I'm saying is that I don't think he deserves as much hate as he gets.

This is a good take if your talking NCAA football. In the pro ranks, coaching staffs work off a game plan to utilize your strengths vs their weakness's on a week to week basis(IMO). Teammates rely on team leaders to motivate one another gameday ala Ray Lewis/Joey Porter to name just a few.
Herm had no other choice but to "re-build". And thats what scares me, is our coaching staff will be doing it.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by penchief

I guess it goes back to whether or not players respond to coaching or not. So far, it appears as though they are. At least, that has to be one measure of it. The fact that he can coach them up and get them ready to play says something about they way young players respond to their coach, IMO.

Look, I'm not saying Edwards is the greatest coach since sliced bread. But I do give him credit for changing the culture and attitude of the team. Bringing in a lot of good young talent. And getting that young talent ready to play. I also give him credit for turning around a defense that was humiliating to watch.

All I'm saying is that I don't think he deserves as much hate as he gets.

What culture and attitude did he change?

So you credit him for taking an offensive scoring minded team and turning them into the R2P2 scared shitless Field Goal Bonanza offense?

What has he done exactly with the defense in 3 years? Took them from 32 to middle of the pack in 3 years, but took the offense from top 5 to absolute embarrasing in 2 short years?

And dont come back with the, he lost Roaf Bullshit... Herm has never had a potent offense, nor can he keep a QB healthy with his lack of talent he scouts for his OL's.... He proved that at NY and proving it here...

I am starting to question his scouting abilities as well... When will he start producing ProBowl players, with his "god" like abilities as a NFL Scout?

[Fish]

Armchair coaches.... gotta love it....

"I'm smarterer than Herm!"