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Old 09-24-2008, 03:48 AM  
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Let's put all the QB talk right here
Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:25 AM   #76
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A closer comparison would be Drew Brees.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:25 AM   #77
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Height is overrated. Just give me a guy who can play.
It's a real legit concern, are there any starting QB's in the league under 6'? How big are all the best QB's? Guys like Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger are all well over 6'3...

Height is a much bigger deal to the position than it's given credit for.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:26 AM   #78
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LOL in fairness here, Tebow has a strong arm, a huge body and great height, and very good mobility. He just needs to have his throwing mechanics completely changed and be given time to learn to play in a pro style system.

He's a long term project but he does have a ton of natural ability.
Newsflash: white-athletic-mobile college QB's uncomfortable as pure passers are just as likely to bust as black-athletic-moble college QB's.

He's physically gifted, I agree, but I don't want him leading my offense...
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:27 AM   #79
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Drafting another QB means another 2 to 3 years of ugly games .. but its the only way to completely rebuild ... Croyle is too brittle ... I like the two kids from here KUs & MUs QBs...
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We've been over this before: The biggest stat that correlates with NFL success is completion percentage.

This year, Sam Bradford has completed 79% of his passes, including against a tough Cinci D. Further, we will get to see him against: Kansas, Texas Tech, Texas, TCU and likely Missouri (Big 12 Championship). Other notable teams: K-State, A&M, and Oklahoma State.

The big knock on Bradford to date has been his arm strength and velocity. However, he has actually improved over the last year in that regard. He will probably never be a gunslinger, like a Stafford. But he can put the ball 50-60 yards down the field with perfect accuracy.

Also, since that second video that has you so concerned mecca, he has put on 8-10 pounds. That was just over a year ago.

For those that are comparing Stafford to Palmer: Stafford isn't even close to as accurate. That is my really big knock on him. Nearly every time Stafford throws the ball, you know his receiver is going to have to adjust to it and won't get any YAC. I would much rather have someone with the pinpoint accuracy Bradford is displaying than a gunslinger.

JMO.
Bradford is more polished and much closer to a finished product..if you have a competent coach that can teach Stafford footwork and base stuff think of what he'll be then.

Stafford is far and away more physically gifted.....Bradford is safe but I don't think he'll ever be elite....Stafford on the other hand is a bit riskier but he grew up idolizing Elway and does possess some of those skills.
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Drafting another QB means another 2 to 3 years of ugly games .. but its the only way to completely rebuild ... Croyle is too brittle ... I like the two kids from here KUs & MUs QBs...
They're to short.....anyone under 6' isn't a legit NFL prospect at QB.
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A closer comparison would be Drew Brees.
Drew Brees is actually a full 6' tall, and he is an anomaly.

I'd be surprised if Daniel measures taller than 5' 10" when the NFL measures him.
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Matter of opinion.

He had a couple of big years, and the rest of his career could be best described as productive, but watching him, I just never thought he was anything to write home about. .
IIRC he was Co-MVP and a blown coverage away from a SB ring.

It's nothing compared to the last 12 KC QB's but it's something...
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It's actually something they took from a thing called the Lewin projection system,The idea is hinged on the assumption that with sufficient game film, scouts can accurately determine weather or not a player has the capacity to be an early round pick. So games started becomes a big factor. Players who start relatively few games tend to have their stock skewed upwards because the scouts haven't seen as much on them, so they get sold on "Upside". This along with completion percentage goes into the projection.

The result is a system that accurately predicted that Peyton Manning would be great, and that Ryan Leaf would be a failure. It's been pretty accurate for the most part.

If you pull up freshman and sophomore stats Stafford's are pretty right in line with Jay Cutler and Carson Palmer.
I found it. It was from Footballoutsiders. The most successful NFL QB's had 35 or more starts and had a completion percentage greater than 60% in college.
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IIRC he was Co-MVP and a blown coverage away from a SB ring.

It's nothing compared to the last 12 KC QB's but it's something...
As I said, he had a couple of good years.

The rest, he was Ok.
But not great.
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Drew Brees is actually a full 6' tall, and he is an anomaly.

I'd be surprised if Daniel measures taller than 5' 10" when the NFL measures him.
Ok, explain to me again why 2-4 inches can make or break a (non-porn) career.

Then explain why mobility can't overcome that.

And FTR I'm not saying I want us to draft him, only that it's a measurable like a sub-par 40 time...
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Well Stafford is going to be right at 35 at this end of this year......I'm curious to look at his % after this season, he did make serious strides from his freshman to sophomore year. I know people say he was shaky but he was a true Sophomore starting that's expected.
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Ok, explain to me again why 2-4 inches can make or break a (non-porn) career.

Then explain why mobility can't overcome that.

And FTR I'm not saying I want us to draft him, only that it's a measurable like a sub-par 40 time...
Other than alot of guys with shitty 40's have become good players where as I can't think of 1 QB under 6' tall that was ever a meaningful QB.
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As I said, he had a couple of good years.

The rest, he was Ok.
But not great.
I'd say 3 great years and the rest average.

I'd also argue that the average years are due to the wear and tear of constant sneaks/draws/bootlegs and whatnot but that is debatable...
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IIRC he was Co-MVP and a blown coverage away from a SB ring.

It's nothing compared to the last 12 KC QB's but it's something...
Oh, and I'm not saying that I wouldn't trade almost every QB the Chiefs have trotted out there over the years.

I'm just saying he was somewhat overrated.

But that wasn't even the point of the post to begin with.

McNair serves as a blueprint on how to develop QBs that get drafted out of gimmick offenses.
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