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Old 10-15-2008, 08:56 AM   #1
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No it doesn't. Tony extended his contract in January 2007. That was after Herm's first year and after the loss to the Colts in the playoffs.
According to Tony when he signed they said nothing about rebuilding.

Last year they didn't rebuild at all they just tried to plug holes and get to the playoffs.

So Tony was right.
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:03 AM   #2
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According to Tony when he signed they said nothing about rebuilding.

Last year they didn't rebuild at all they just tried to plug holes and get to the playoffs.

So Tony was right.
Tony extended his contract after Herm's first year. Toward the end of the year and after the playoff loss to the Colts where the Chiefs offense consisted of repeatedly running LJ into 8 man defensive fronts guys like LJ, Tony and Green all came out and made comments about the questionable play calling and direction of the offense. Tony was on notice.

Tony would also have to blind to see that the team didn't need to be rebuilt. The offense was getting old and Herm had already begun to bring in players that would buy into Herm's drivel.

The Chiefs have been rebuilding for three years. You don't need to play 10 rookies to begin rebuilding. Herm has given his draft picks and free agent signings plenty of playing time from day one.
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:08 AM   #3
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Tony would also have to blind to see that the team didn't need to be rebuilt. The offense was getting old and Herm had already begun to bring in players that would buy into Herm's drivel.

The Chiefs have been rebuilding for three years. You don't need to play 10 rookies to begin rebuilding. Herm has given his draft picks and free agent signings plenty of playing time from day one.
Tony was nuts-deep in a contract he really couldn't wiggle out of. He was stuck.

And frankly, I think he wanted it to work. He WANTED to win in KC, taste some playoff wins, take a swing at a ring.

Only it's pretty clear now it's going to be a LONG WHILE before that happens....
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:11 AM   #4
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Tony extended his contract after Herm's first year. Toward the end of the year and after the playoff loss to the Colts where the Chiefs offense consisted of repeatedly running LJ into 8 man defensive fronts guys like LJ, Tony and Green all came out and made comments about the questionable play calling and direction of the offense. Tony was on notice.

Tony would also have to blind to see that the team didn't need to be rebuilt. The offense was getting old and Herm had already begun to bring in players that would buy into Herm's drivel.

The Chiefs have been rebuilding for three years. You don't need to play 10 rookies to begin rebuilding. Herm has given his draft picks and free agent signings plenty of playing time from day one.
Chiefnj you are buying into Carl\Herm's BS about them rebuilding for 2 years. They weren't and everyone knows that. Yeah they plugged in a couple of rookies because they had no one else better. Last year this was the oldest team in the NFL. That is not rebuilding that is plugging holes trying to get by. Also you don't rebuild by starting Damon Huard.
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:17 AM   #5
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Chiefnj you are buying into Carl\Herm's BS about them rebuilding for 2 years. They weren't and everyone knows that. Yeah they plugged in a couple of rookies because they had no one else better. Last year this was the oldest team in the NFL. That is not rebuilding that is plugging holes trying to get by. Also you don't rebuild by starting Damon Huard.
This is a change of strategy to buy time.

The plan failed. The plan was to run a cover 2 with the DV/Saunders/Solari system and improve the D enough to win a playoff game.

Failed hard.

Now we have a real OC who's handcuffed by the HC, the GM, the constantly injured talent, and the looming last year under contract...
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:20 AM   #6
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Chiefnj you are buying into Carl\Herm's BS about them rebuilding for 2 years. They weren't and everyone knows that. Yeah they plugged in a couple of rookies because they had no one else better. Last year this was the oldest team in the NFL. That is not rebuilding that is plugging holes trying to get by. Also you don't rebuild by starting Damon Huard.
Did Hali, Page, Pollard and Webb get a lot of playing time as rookies? Did Bowe, McBride, Tyler, Kolby Smith, Taylor and Nap Harris get playing time last year? Did young guys like Brackenridge and Patterson get a shot?

Teams rebuild with older QB's all the time. Herm gave Croyle every chance in the world to win the starting job last year and Croyle couldn't do it.
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:23 AM   #7
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Did Hali, Page, Pollard and Webb get a lot of playing time as rookies? Did Bowe, McBride, Tyler, Kolby Smith, Taylor and Nap Harris get playing time last year? Did young guys like Brackenridge and Patterson get a shot?

Teams rebuild with older QB's all the time. Herm gave Croyle every chance in the world to win the starting job last year and Croyle couldn't do it.
Wierd according to Hard Knocks.. Croyle had about as much chance as you or I did at starting.... Carl vetoed that..
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Wierd according to Hard Knocks.. Croyle had about as much chance as you or I did at starting.... Carl vetoed that..
That's a ****ing myth...
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That's a ****ing myth...
I will never forget the episode that they are sitting around that table, talking about the QB's.. Curl wanted Croyle, Carl kept saying he wanted Huard, because he gives us the best chance to win now...

I was sick to my stomach when I watched that....
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Wierd according to Hard Knocks.. Croyle had about as much chance as you or I did at starting.... Carl vetoed that..
I didn't realize you took the majority of snaps in preseason.
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I didn't realize you took the majority of snaps in preseason.
Ssshhhh, My noodle arm would resemble Huards....
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Did Hali, Page, Pollard and Webb get a lot of playing time as rookies? Did Bowe, McBride, Tyler, Kolby Smith, Taylor and Nap Harris get playing time last year? Did young guys like Brackenridge and Patterson get a shot?

Teams rebuild with older QB's all the time. Herm gave Croyle every chance in the world to win the starting job last year and Croyle couldn't do it.
We are going to agree to disagree on this.

If you are "rebuilding" you don't sign a 30+ yr old LB who is on their last legs. You don't sign a 30+ yr old tackle that can't play. You don't keep old farts like Welbourne, Turley and Kennison around.

They tried to plug holes and not really rebuild.

What they are doing this year is rebuilding.
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