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Old 12-18-2008, 12:16 PM  
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:20 PM   #76
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Herm put those guys on his team......
So you're telling me that Herm is the GM now?

WTF?
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:22 PM   #77
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Herm is only responsible for the talented players and their developement, Peterson is responsible for everything else...
Considering that Herm wanted a full-on rebuild to take place since 2006 and Peterson ignored the request and continued to sign over-the-hill and less than mediocre talent at every sore spot, I'd say that's accurate.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:25 PM   #78
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Wow, I highly doubt it. Del Rio's got a much more talented Jacksonville squad, yet he's only got 5 wins this year.

Haslett's probably coaching an equally talented squad and he's got two.

Lewis has a more talented squad (offensively for certain) and he's got three.

I'm sorry, I just don't see how you can win with guys like Adrian Jones, Rudy Niwanger, Damion McIntosh, Jason Babin, Rocky Boiman and Demorrio Williams as your starters (let alone Devard Darling) playing KEY positions (and a 7th round I-AA 2nd year QB to boot).

When you have THAT many holes that need to filled, you're going to lose a LOT of games.

Period.

I said the Chiefs would win 3 games at most back in May and you disagreed. Now that it's likely, you blame Edwards and Gailey, when the blame clearly lies at the feet of Carl Peterson for not providing his head coach with even AVERAGE talent at key positions.
Dane, you can keep crying about a lack of talent all you want.

They have shown they have the talent to win how many games this year - at least 5 by my count - only to have wins taken from them by bad coaching decisions.

I said they had a floor of 4 wins and a ceiling of 6.

Based on the way they've played in the 2nd half of the season, it's more than fair to say i would have been dead on had there not been a bumbling idiot on the sidelines grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:32 PM   #79
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So you're telling me that Herm is the GM now?

WTF?
Oh geez Dane, give me a break, you know he had a say so in the personnel, stop reaching
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:34 PM   #80
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Oh geez Dane, give me a break, you know he had a say so in the personnel, stop reaching
Really?

I guess you haven't been paying attention, nor have you read EVERY interview with Carl and Clark specifically stating that CARL and CARL alone was responsible for the signing of McIntosh AND the decision to stick with "the old guys".

Those were CARL PETERSON'S DECISIONS, not Herm's.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:38 PM   #81
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So you're telling me that Herm is the GM now?

WTF?
Only if he can stab himself in the back..... ****ing weasel...
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:40 PM   #82
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Dane, you can keep crying about a lack of talent all you want.

They have shown they have the talent to win how many games this year - at least 5 by my count - only to have wins taken from them by bad coaching decisions.

I said they had a floor of 4 wins and a ceiling of 6.

Based on the way they've played in the 2nd half of the season, it's more than fair to say i would have been dead on had there not been a bumbling idiot on the sidelines grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.
I guess we'll agree to disagree.

In New York, he made the "mistake" of not going for it on 4th & 1. There was no guarantee that they would have made the first down, nor is there a guarantee that they would have scored. But I guess in your mind, that's an error on Herm's part. Running at Kris Jenkins with Kolby Smith? Who's going to win that battle 90% of the time?

Versus Tampa Bay, the defense fell apart without the services of DJ and Flowers. The Special Teams suck because there's no depth across the entire roster and they'll continue to suck until the roster is rebuilt.

In San Diego, are you blaming Herm? They went for the win. I guess you think he erred and they should have kicked the extra point (even though he already missed one PAT) and attempt to win in OT?

And last weekend, where did Herm err? Surtain gave up the TD. Bowe fumbled. The kicker missed a 16 yarder and a 50 yarder. Where did Herm err?

I guess we just see these games much differently.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:41 PM   #83
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Really?

I guess you haven't been paying attention, nor have you read EVERY interview with Carl and Clark specifically stating that CARL and CARL alone was responsible for the signing of McIntosh AND the decision to stick with "the old guys".

Those were CARL PETERSON'S DECISIONS, not Herm's.


They both are teh suck and both need to be removed...
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:42 PM   #84
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I read this kind of stuff everyday. Herms track record speaks for itself. The guy is a horrendous gameday coach and a pretty blah evaluator of talent, just some think he's great at it because of what was here before.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:42 PM   #85
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Really?

I guess you haven't been paying attention, nor have you read EVERY interview with Carl and Clark specifically stating that CARL and CARL alone was responsible for the signing of McIntosh AND the decision to stick with "the old guys".

Those were CARL PETERSON'S DECISIONS, not Herm's.
It's also widely reported that Carl's greatest fault is giving TOO MUCH control over personnel decisions to his coaches.

This was undoubtedly the case with Grandpa, but now you're claiming that Carl was ruling with an iron fist (Edit: with Herm, sorry). Not hardly.

Look, I believe that Herm was hired with the mandate to try to win with that decaying '06 squad. From '07 on, this thing has been Herm's baby, IMO. And it sucks. Again, for me it's all about what he's done (read: hasn't done) with the defense.
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It's also widely reported that Carl's greatest fault is giving TOO MUCH control over personnel decisions to his coaches.

This was undoubtedly the case with Grandpa, but now you're claiming that Carl was ruling with an iron fist. Not hardly.

Look, I believe that Herm was hired with the mandate to try to win with that decaying '06 squad. From '07 on, this thing has been Herm's baby, IMO. And it sucks. Again, for me it's all about what he's done (read: hasn't done) with the defense.
Carl has been quoted as saying he signed McIntosh and he alone thought they could "win with the old guys".

I'll be happy when Peterson delivers his final speech after the season's over so these issues can be cleared up once and for all.
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Who keeps putting McIntosh out there on the field?
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It's also widely reported that Carl's greatest fault is giving TOO MUCH control over personnel decisions to his coaches.

This was undoubtedly the case with Grandpa, but now you're claiming that Carl was ruling with an iron fist (Edit: with Herm, sorry). Not hardly.

Look, I believe that Herm was hired with the mandate to try to win with that decaying '06 squad. From '07 on, this thing has been Herm's baby, IMO. And it sucks. Again, for me it's all about what he's done (read: hasn't done) with the defense.
If he would of kept his man pleaser shut instead of acting like a pompus ass when he arrived, Mr God ****ing gidt to the Tampon 2 and will correct everything DV did wrong.. It wouldnt be so bad. But the ****ing loser ass douche nozzle, opened his cock holster and hasnt lived up the his self proclaimed hype of being a defensive guru....
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Who keeps putting McIntosh out there on the field?
Uh, don't you think that if there was someone better on the squad, they'd be out there?

For ****sakes, Johnston was out there before he was injured and he was a 7th rounder.

Peterson, as usual, did nothing to prepare for the departure of the "old" offensive lineman.
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Who keeps putting McIntosh out there on the field?
Has to be Carl....
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