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Old 12-29-2008, 06:35 PM   #1
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how injury prone was Trent Green when he played for us? the o line STILL got him killed
Actually before coming here Trent Green had gotten injured....

Here's the truth people had said this and it happened, Green played behind a great line that afforded him alot of time but he always held the ball to long. Many of us said when the line got worse he would get ear holed.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:36 PM   #2
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Actually before coming here Trent Green had gotten injured....

Here's the truth people had said this and it happened, Green played behind a great line that afforded him alot of time but he always held the ball to long. Many of us said when the line got worse he would get ear holed.
The only QB who did better than Green unde DV, save his 1st year, was Manning.

Again, it was not Trent Green who lost the playoff game for us. That would be the lack of defense.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:37 PM   #3
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The only QB who did better than Green unde DV, save his 1st year, was Manning.

Again, it was not Trent Green who lost the playoff game for us. That would be the lack of defense.
Didn't say it was but Green was a part of a system when the system broke down so did he.

With that offense it was just the defense that was a problem, today it's basically the entire team.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:39 PM   #4
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Didn't say it was but Green was a part of a system when the system broke down so did he.

With that offense it was just the defense that was a problem, today it's basically the entire team.
So in other words, you are agreeing that had the journeyman Green had a defense to support him we would of won in the playoffs?

And I agree the ENTIRE TEAM SUCKS. Which is why I would rather see us get someone on the defensive line or MLB rather than a QB when the QB we have has put up enough points to win a game.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:41 PM   #5
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So in other words, you are agreeing that had the journeyman Green had a defense to support him we would of won in the playoffs?

And I agree the ENTIRE TEAM SUCKS. Which is why I would rather see us get someone on the defensive line or MLB rather than a QB when the QB we have has put up enough points to win a game.
How good of a defense are we talking....

The QB is a problem because it is the most important position on the field and by the way, where is this DE you are seeing that is gonna change the game? There is no Peppers or Mario Williams in this years draft.

You don't wanna pull a Rams and take Chris Long who looks to be a Justin Smith kind of player.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:48 PM   #6
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How good of a defense are we talking....

The QB is a problem because it is the most important position on the field and by the way, where is this DE you are seeing that is gonna change the game? There is no Peppers or Mario Williams in this years draft.

You don't wanna pull a Rams and take Chris Long who looks to be a Justin Smith kind of player.
Dude you can go check the stats. We couldn't even get a first down until Thigpen came in. We went from scoring 12 pts a game to 22pts a game. We did not lose the majority of Thigpen's start because of QB play. To say that is just being intellecually dishonest.


You act like a QB is the fix to all our problems when the stats for this team arguably say that is wrong. If fixing the defense is so easy why have we not fixed it since Marty left? 1st round picks are nothing more than projections based on college level play. Sure the odds favor a first round pick. But there are not any hard and fast rules that say you MUST have a 1st round QB. Especially when the rest of your team sucks ass worse than the 7th round QB who arguably made a miserable season easier to watch.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:52 PM   #7
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Dude you can go check the stats. We couldn't even get a first down until Thigpen came in. We went from scoring 12 pts a game to 22pts a game. We did not lose the majority of Thigpen's start because of QB play. To say that is just being intellecually dishonest.


You act like a QB is the fix to all our problems when the stats for this team arguably say that is wrong. If fixing the defense is so easy why have we not fixed it since Marty left? 1st round picks are nothing more than projections based on college level play. Sure the odds favor a first round pick. But there are not any hard and fast rules that say you MUST have a 1st round QB. Especially when the rest of your team sucks ass worse than the 7th round QB who arguably made a miserable season easier to watch.


I just knew you had to be one of those idiot callers.
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So in other words, you are agreeing that had the journeyman Green had a defense to support him we would of won in the playoffs?

And I agree the ENTIRE TEAM SUCKS. Which is why I would rather see us get someone on the defensive line or MLB rather than a QB when the QB we have has put up enough points to win a game.
I liked Trent Green, and respected what he did as the Chiefs starting QB, but if it ever came down to needing a QB making plays to win a game in the playoffs, I had no faith that he would be that guy, unless he was facing a defense nearly as bad as ours.
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I posted this link in another thread, and it really illustrates how important a QB is to achieving long term success, and competing annually for championships.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...hff/index.html

Now I will not dismiss Thigpen's potential, but it would be irresponsible to pass up a potential QBoTF simply because Thigpen is better than bad.

And it's myopic thinking that drafting a QB in the first round limits your ability to fix other areas of the team.

The QB position is the most imporatnt position on the field.

You can not pass one up because you have other areas of need.
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So in other words, you are agreeing that had the journeyman Green had a defense to support him we would of won in the playoffs?

And I agree the ENTIRE TEAM SUCKS. Which is why I would rather see us get someone on the defensive line or MLB rather than a QB when the QB we have has put up enough points to win a game.
It's not about RIGHT NOW. We're going to suck in 2009. We can either start slowly putting together the pieces to be a real winner (by filling a premium position with premium draft position), or we can grasp for the first thing that will maybe let us go 8-8.
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It's not about RIGHT NOW. We're going to suck in 2009. We can either start slowly putting together the pieces to be a real winner (by filling a premium position with premium draft position), or we can grasp for the first thing that will maybe let us go 8-8.
That 8-8 thing sure seems to be a serious drug for some.
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Actually before coming here Trent Green had gotten injured....
Here's the truth people had said this and it happened, Green played behind a great line that afforded him alot of time but he always held the ball to long. Many of us said when the line got worse he would get ear holed.
ummmm i knew that hence the WHEN HE PLAYED HERE in my quote, still our offensive line got him killed right? you acted like it was just croyle and huard
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ummmm i knew that hence the WHEN HE PLAYED HERE in my quote, still our offensive line got him killed right? you acted like it was just croyle and huard
Trent Green hasn't been here for 2 seasons....why are we even talking about him the team is completely different now.
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Trent Green hasn't been here for 2 seasons....why are we even talking about him the team is completely different now.
we are talking about qbs getting hurt behind our offensive line right?
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