Shannahan is Fired

[Mr. Arrowhead]

just reported on NFL network

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by tk13

The only thing I don't like about these comments is everyone makes them, but they're really full of crap. Anytime anybody finds a good QB or really good player, they "lucked" into them. Except for guys like Belichick.

And Belichick is the one who "lucked" into the greatest 6th round pick in NFL history. Shanahan probably "lucked" one of the greatest 6th round running backs in NFL history. But apparently Cowher was held hostage at gunpoint and "lucked" into the 11th pick in the draft. Yeah right. I personally don't think I'd rank Cowher ahead of Belichick or maybe even Shanahan, but this "lucked out" garbage to defend your opinion is a bunch of crap. Especially when you're talking about a top 15 draft selection. There aren't too many teams that win a Super Bowl that don't catch a lucky break here and there.

Maybe Shanahan will luck into a few Superbowls in KC with Stafford.

[old_geezer]

Why does Herm still have a job? 2-14 over 4-12 is NOT an improvement Clarke. A half empty stadium over a sellout crowd is NOT an improvement Carl. Time to take out the garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Hootie

A lot of fans on this board are unrealistic...

1 Super Bowl win every 10-15 years in today's NFL (parity) is about all you can expect.

Dynasties in the NFL should be dead...which makes what the Patriots have done astonishing...they simply out coach and out scheme everyone...and see the big picture in the offseason better than any team.

Yep... he went to 6 AFC Championship games with the Steelers and won 2 of them. I know I've heard criticism before about playoff coaching decisions and whatever, but he can obviously win playoff games; something Herm will never be able to do more than once or twice in one playoff season with his current philosophy.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Bwana

I fell kind of bad about the whole thing. Can we send you Herm to help ease your mind about who your next coach is going to be?

Gosh. That's aweful thoughtful. I like him where he is.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

And Clark still thinks he can wait a month to hire a GM and then be able to decide on Herm's fate and still have halfway decent potential head coaches available to select from should he decide to fire Herm??

Good Lord

Are you really this dumb?

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Yeah, I didn't word that right...I didn't mean he lucked into Ben Roethlisberger...obviously they drafted him and thought highly of him...but they had no plans starting him until Maddox got hurt and then he rattled off like 8 straight wins and they finished 15-1...

But what I'm saying is...before Roethlisberger Cowher was thought of as nothing more than an average coach who many people wondered how he still had a job and why he was the longest tenured coach when he really had done nothing other than choke in the playoffs...

Now don't get me wrong...Cowher stopped using the Marty 'pound the rock' offense and turned the reigns over to Ken Whisenhunt and that offense was awesome...they used Ward and Randle El (both former QB's) and had a lot of awesome gadget plays and used a great mix of run plays and pass plays (and had Bettis and discovered Willie Parker) and even used one of the greatest gadget plays I've ever seen against Seattle in the Super Bowl...

Cowher and his staff were awesome that year...played great defense and balanced offense and weren't afraid of taking risks...

All I'm saying is...that season appeared to get in his head as they didn't show much the following season and then he decided to take some time off...

I'm just worried that he is complacent...and isn't willing to work around the clock like he used to...because he's been there, done that...and now he thinks he knows it all...

I don't know, I could be wrong...but I really like what I saw with the new guys this year...fresh set of eyes getting a chance to live their dream...and we're in a position to get one of those QB's that worked so well for Harbaugh and Mike Smith...plus we already have a roster full of young guys...it's a perfect situation for a young coach and a young GM.

Yeah, you make some good points. I didn't mean to bite your head off. Everyone just keeps saying Cowher lucked into this and that. I'm not sure he's my favorite pick just because of his past ties here but I don't think he's that horrible, he's better than Marty and Herm, and I think bringing up stuff from 1994 is tough because I do think he learned and became better as the seasons went along. I'm afraid he'd want too much power, but we'll see.

I'd much rather hire a GM and coach separate and let the GM do his thing.

The reality is though that most of these "defensive" coaches usually have to have help to get a great offense. Cowher, Dungy, even Belichick, I'm not sure he'd be much different than Cowher if he didn't find Brady. Otherwise they're just a team with Drew Bledsoe and a hodge podge group of WR's.

I don't mean to knock any of these guys really though... the reason the Steelers, Colts, Patriots, etc find these guys late in the draft is because they're good at evaluating players and then they stick to their draft board and take guys with potential, some of them pan out and some of them don't.

[booger]

Hasn't Bowlen mentioned he would like to see the team build through the draft?


I'm not joking. I coulda swore i heard that last offseason.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yep... he went to 6 AFC Championship games with the Steelers and won 2 of them. I know I've heard criticism before about playoff coaching decisions and whatever, but he can obviously win playoff games; something Herm will never be able to do more than once or twice in one playoff season with his current philosophy.

I don't necessarily agree with that, either.

Herm has shown the ability to at least improvise...a little bit.

Herm really needed to be a better game day coach...it's hard to think any person wouldn't be capable of improving in that aspect...hire someone a little better than Dick Curl...

I don't know...Herm went 6-26 the last two seasons...sorry dude, you dug your own grave.

I don't think he's as bad as this board makes him out to be but he definitely deserves to be fired.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Is Denver looking for a new GM now also?

That's the million dollar question.

Dan Reeves was also the GM...or rather VP of FB operations. Wade Phillips was just the coach. So for the exception of 3 years, Bowlen has always had a coach that ran the personal. Now we have these two guys called the Goodmans....father and son, that have done an excellent drafting job the past 3 seasons. I would be suprised if they were let go.

[booger]

Greg Robinson is available and comes highly recommended by DV

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Gosh. That's aweful thoughtful. I like him where he is.

No no my orange and blue friend. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that your mind was not at ease thinking about such things as that empty hole in your coaching staff. Please reconsider.........

[Mile High Mania]

I'm sad to see him go, but it had to happen. Things were stalled.

Now that it has happened, this opens the door nicely for Cohwer (if truly interested) to come in and build his staff - including the GM role.

[Red Dawg]

****'in A!

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Are you really this dumb?

Maybe he doesn't want clark to sit on his ass and do nothing like most chiefs fans.
So its better to wait for everyone else to get their HC in place before us?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by tk13

Yeah, you make some good points. I didn't mean to bite your head off. Everyone just keeps saying Cowher lucked into this and that. I'm not sure he's my favorite pick just because of his past ties here but I don't think he's that horrible, he's better than Marty and Herm, and I think bringing up stuff from 1994 is tough because I do think he learned and became better as the seasons went along. I'm afraid he'd want too much power, but we'll see.

I'd much rather hire a GM and coach separate and let the GM do his thing.

The reality is though that most of these "defensive" coaches usually have to have help to get a great offense. Cowher, Dungy, even Belichick, I'm not sure he'd be much different than Cowher if he didn't find Brady. Otherwise they're just a team with Drew Bledsoe and a hodge podge group of WR's.

I don't mean to knock any of these guys really though... the reason the Steelers, Colts, Patriots, etc find these guys late in the draft is because they're good at evaluating players and then they stick to their draft board and take guys with potential, some of them pan out and some of them don't.

I still think that if they switched Dungy and Herm, Herm wins 12+ a year with the Colts and they win the Super Bowl or 2, or 3 that Peyton is going to end up winning.

I think that team is what it is because of Peyton Manning. That's just a personal opinion on Dungy...look at his coaching tree...it's dying. Those guys that run the Tampa 2 weren't able to adapt to the rest of the NFL figuring it out...all of those guys from Dungy's staff consistently get beat on 3rd and long...it's just a dead defense...it has been figured out and because of it, the Dungy tree is going to die out because none of those guys adapted. Lovie doesn't hardly even use the Cover 2 anymore and other than Herm, I think he's the only one still going...and he's on thin, thin ice in Chicago.

I'd be totally content with Cowher...but I wouldn't be surprised to see this board calling for his head in two years when we go back-to-back 6-10.

We have a young, young team...with a young owner...lets get a young GM and a young coach and GROW together...that would be my ideal situation...

I could take a few seasons of suck and still remain optimistic if we had young, energetic guys that didn't talk down to the fan base like ol' Herm does.