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Old 01-13-2009, 01:52 PM   #1
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He's tough, an athlete and a winner. Can't understand why so many people believe he will never be any good.
This debate came up a few years ago. Some people touted Vince Young and the guy that was going to change the NFL. When it was pointed out that he had poor mechanics, wasn't accurate, couldn't read defenses and didn't have a lot between his ears, many yelled, "But he is a winner. Isn't that what it is all about? Winning?" When he went to Tennesee and took over and won a few games, his fans puffed out their chest with pride. It was pointed out that the D really stepped up, the runnnng game got a lot better and VY's passing stats were abysmal. "But he is a winner. All he does is win. At the college level or the pro's. He's a winner. And that's what it's all about." I just don't buy it.

He may end up being great. He may change the NFL. He may revolutionize the position. But I don't think he will be sucessful because he is a "winner".

Sorry for the rant. And this wasn't directed soley at you.
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Old 01-13-2009, 01:54 PM   #2
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I think we should just get the LB from Wake Forrest. Reguardless of GM and Coach.
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Old 01-13-2009, 02:01 PM   #3
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I think we should just get the LB from Wake Forrest. Reguardless of GM and Coach.
ReGARDless of our GM and coach, we shouldn't draft a linebacker at 3
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Old 01-13-2009, 02:29 PM   #4
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ReGARDless of our GM and coach, we shouldn't draft a linebacker at 3
I am sure the Ravens are glad they didn't have your mentality when they drated RL
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Old 01-13-2009, 02:30 PM   #5
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I am sure the Ravens are glad they didn't have your mentality when they drated RL
Ray Lewis was a top-3 pick?
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Old 01-13-2009, 02:31 PM   #6
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Ray Lewis was a top-3 pick?
26th pick.
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Old 01-13-2009, 02:32 PM   #7
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26th pick.
Exactly.
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This debate came up a few years ago. Some people touted Vince Young and the guy that was going to change the NFL. When it was pointed out that he had poor mechanics, wasn't accurate, couldn't read defenses and didn't have a lot between his ears, many yelled, "But he is a winner. Isn't that what it is all about? Winning?" When he went to Tennesee and took over and won a few games, his fans puffed out their chest with pride. It was pointed out that the D really stepped up, the runnnng game got a lot better and VY's passing stats were abysmal. "But he is a winner. All he does is win. At the college level or the pro's. He's a winner. And that's what it's all about." I just don't buy it.

He may end up being great. He may change the NFL. He may revolutionize the position. But I don't think he will be sucessful because he is a "winner".

Sorry for the rant. And this wasn't directed soley at you.
Yep.

"He makes the big plays when it matters."

It'd be nice if he could make the majority of the other plays, too.
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Old 01-13-2009, 01:59 PM   #9
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He may end up being great. He may change the NFL. He may revolutionize the position. But I don't think he will be sucessful because he is a "winner".
The way the rules revolve around protecting the passing game no player is going to come in and revolutionize the game without a paradigm shift in rules. It's a pocket passers game until that happens.

I've been wrong before but don't see it happening.
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Old 01-13-2009, 02:14 PM   #10
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This debate came up a few years ago. Some people touted Vince Young and the guy that was going to change the NFL. When it was pointed out that he had poor mechanics, wasn't accurate, couldn't read defenses and didn't have a lot between his ears, many yelled, "But he is a winner. Isn't that what it is all about? Winning?" When he went to Tennesee and took over and won a few games, his fans puffed out their chest with pride. It was pointed out that the D really stepped up, the runnnng game got a lot better and VY's passing stats were abysmal. "But he is a winner. All he does is win. At the college level or the pro's. He's a winner. And that's what it's all about." I just don't buy it.

He may end up being great. He may change the NFL. He may revolutionize the position. But I don't think he will be sucessful because he is a "winner".

Sorry for the rant. And this wasn't directed soley at you.
While Tebow shares some of the knocks that VY had coming out of school, Tebow is not as dumb as VY and Tebow can read a defense (although he has the added luxury of doing it while not having to take a 3-7 step dropback).
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Old 01-13-2009, 03:30 PM   #11
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While Tebow shares some of the knocks that VY had coming out of school, Tebow is not as dumb as VY and Tebow can read a defense (although he has the added luxury of doing it while not having to take a 3-7 step dropback).
It's a well known fact here in SEC territory that Tebow is not the brightest bulb in the ornament. He made an 890 in the SAT, was barely a B student while being home schooled (explains the weirdness IYAM) and is majoring in Community Services. As a Gator fan put it, "My cat could land a 3.76 GPA in that major."
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Old 01-13-2009, 03:35 PM   #12
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It's a well known fact here in SEC territory that Tebow is not the brightest bulb in the ornament. He made an 890 in the SAT, was barely a B student while being home schooled (explains the weirdness IYAM) and is majoring in Community Services. As a Gator fan put it, "My cat could land a 3.76 GPA in that major."
But he's white. He has to be smarter than VY.
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But he's white. He has to be smarter than VY.
I get the sarcasm (or at least I wish that was sarcasm LOL), but I still wonder what Myron Rolle would say to that.
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It's a well known fact here in SEC territory that Tebow is not the brightest bulb in the ornament. He made an 890 in the SAT, was barely a B student while being home schooled (explains the weirdness IYAM) and is majoring in Community Services. As a Gator fan put it, "My cat could land a 3.76 GPA in that major."
We'll see next year if Tebow can score higher than a 6 on the wonderlic.
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We'll see next year if Tebow can score higher than a 6 on the wonderlic.
It takes more than being dumb to make a 6 in the wonderlic. You'd have to be lazy too. Even guesstimation will more than likely yield a score higher than six.
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