Missed this comment from Clark on QBs

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

I really do believe that Flacco is a slightly above average QB and it's his D that's lifting him.

Have you seen Flacco's deep ball? Yeah, Thig has wet dreams about it...

[Crybaby Power]

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Have you seen Flacco's deep ball? Yeah, Thig has wet dreams about it...

Flacco has a ****in cannon that even Croyle wish he even had.

That 25-30 yd out pass he threw was ****in nuts. thats pretty much equivalent to darting a ball 45-50 yds

[The_Doctor10]

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Have you seen Flacco's deep ball? Yeah, Thig has wet dreams about it...

Flacco and Thigpen put up almost identical numbers.

Flacco: 257/428, 2971 Yards 14 TD 12 INT 80.3 QB rating
Thigpen: 230/420 2608 Yards 18 TD 14 INT 76.0 QB rating

Thigpen wasn't the starter for half the season. Flacco was a 1st round pick who was the starter coming out of camp. The only real difference between the two of them seems to be that Thigpen can scramble, and Flacco has a deep ball. Based on those two sets of numbers, and Joe Flacco's supporting cast vs Thigpen's, can you really say there's a huge difference between the two?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Unleash_the_Phury

Have you seen Flacco's pass attempts? So he can fire the ball downfield; big frickin whoop. He's completing about 50 percent of his passes just like Thiggy, he is rarely even asked to throw when it's not a perfect situation, he has a better o-line, and he put up crap numbers.

Flacco is probably going to be a very good QB one day; but put Thigpen on the Ravens and they're probably going to be even better because they have an offense that can move the ball through the air.

Except that in the Ravens offense, he'd be asked to play under center.

Uh, do you remember those results with Thigpen at the helm?

[The_Doctor10]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Except that in the Ravens offense, he'd be asked to play under center.

Uh, do you remember those results with Thigpen at the helm?

Yes, yes, he's a circus. Give him an off-season with competent coaching, draft the best LB/DE you can find, and find a QB project in the later rounds. Brady was a 6th rounder, Drew Brees was the last pick of the 2nd round, you don't NEED to burn a top 3 pick on a QB, especially when you have so many other glaring needs.

[DJ's left nut]

Statistics are useful only to the extent that they can be used to predict future results. This tends to work alright in baseball, not so much in football.

What is far more useful is examining how Tyler Thigpen actually performed. Even balls he threw that were caught tended to be behind his guy and/or forced into TG. He's not a good passer, at all. Additionally, as a passer, he regressed over 400 attempts. He did not improve a single bit as the season went along. The stats reflect that, but his actual play to play performance does a far better job showing that than any raw numbers could.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Unleash_the_Phury

Yes, yes, he's a circus. Give him an off-season with competent coaching, draft the best LB/DE you can find, and find a QB project in the later rounds. Brady was a 6th rounder, Drew Brees was the last pick of the 2nd round, you don't NEED to burn a top 3 pick on a QB, especially when you have so many other glaring needs.

Using Tom Brady as example is foolish. Complete and utter foolishness. How many QB's in the history of the NFL were selected in the 6th round that didn't amount to a hill of beans?

In hindsight, Tom Brady would have been the number one overall pick in 2000, bar none. He's a Hall Of Famer in waiting. The same goes for Joe Montana. Just because Montana was chosen in the third round doesn't automatically make ANY third round choice a potential Hall of Famer.

Stupid, stupid comparison.

Drew Brees was the FIRST pick of the 2nd round, not the last. Furthermore, his slide was predicated on the fact that the teams above him did NOT need a QB.

The Chiefs NEED the most talented QB they can find and if it's Stafford or Sanchez, either will be the finest QB that the Chiefs have ever drafted in ANY round.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Using Tom Brady as example is foolish. Complete and utter foolishness. How many QB's in the history of the NFL were selected in the 6th round that didn't amount to a hill of beans?

In hindsight, Tom Brady would have been the number one overall pick in 2000, bar none. He's a Hall Of Famer in waiting. The same goes for Joe Montana. Just because Montana was chosen in the third round doesn't automatically make ANY third round choice a Hall of Famer.

Stupid, stupid comparison.

Drew Brees was the FIRST pick of the 2nd round, not the last. Furthermore, his slide was predicated on the fact that the teams above him did NOT need a QB.

The Chiefs NEED the most talented QB they can find and if it's Stafford or Sanchez, either will be the finest QB that the Chiefs have ever drafted in ANY round.

yep he can be our ryan leaf....

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

yep he can be our ryan leaf....

There's no way that Sanchez or Stafford will go the way of Leaf.

Regardless of when they're chosen and by whom.

That guy was and is mental.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

yep he can be our ryan leaf....

hi Carl...thanks for 20 years of failure all based on the fear of drafting a QB....

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Using Tom Brady as example is foolish. Complete and utter foolishness. How many QB's in the history of the NFL were selected in the 6th round that didn't amount to a hill of beans?

In hindsight, Tom Brady would have been the number one overall pick in 2000, bar none. He's a Hall Of Famer in waiting. The same goes for Joe Montana. Just because Montana was chosen in the third round doesn't automatically make ANY third round choice a potential Hall of Famer.

Stupid, stupid comparison.

Drew Brees was the FIRST pick of the 2nd round, not the last. Furthermore, his slide was predicated on the fact that the teams above him did NOT need a QB.

The Chiefs NEED the most talented QB they can find and if it's Stafford or Sanchez, either will be the finest QB that the Chiefs have ever drafted in ANY round.

Nah, the fact that 25 SBs were won by 1st rounders is the anomoly (and 3 others by Staubach and Thiesmann who would've been 1st rounders but for the Navy and baseball respectively). Dayton Moore's an idiot as well, he should trade Zack Greinke for a lefty that throws 82 mph, Jaime Moyer's been doing it for 20 years.

It pains me to see people point out Tom Brady as a reason to pass on 1st round QBs when the results are so readily apparent for anyone that isn't a reerun.

[greyhoodie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Using Tom Brady as example is foolish. Complete and utter foolishness. How many QB's in the history of the NFL were selected in the 6th round that didn't amount to a hill of beans?

In hindsight, Tom Brady would have been the number one overall pick in 2000, bar none. He's a Hall Of Famer in waiting. The same goes for Joe Montana. Just because Montana was chosen in the third round doesn't automatically make ANY third round choice a potential Hall of Famer.

It would be foolish if your GM didn't strike gold TWICE. Matt Cassel was drafted in the 7th round. And while Matt Cassel is no Tom Brady he is probably the greatest 7th round QB in history.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by greyhoodie

It would be foolish if your GM didn't strike gold TWICE. Matt Cassel was drafted in the 7th round. And while Matt Cassel is no Tom Brady he is probably the greatest 7th round QB in history.

Yay! I can't wait for the 7th round of the 2009 draft!

Woo-hoo!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by greyhoodie

It would be foolish if your GM didn't strike gold TWICE. Matt Cassel was drafted in the 7th round. And while Matt Cassel is no Tom Brady he is probably the greatest 7th round QB in history.

Matt Cassel will suck for the next team he plays for, book it.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Using Tom Brady as example is foolish. Complete and utter foolishness. How many QB's in the history of the NFL were selected in the 6th round that didn't amount to a hill of beans?

In hindsight, Tom Brady would have been the number one overall pick in 2000, bar none. He's a Hall Of Famer in waiting. The same goes for Joe Montana. Just because Montana was chosen in the third round doesn't automatically make ANY third round choice a potential Hall of Famer.

Stupid, stupid comparison.

Drew Brees was the FIRST pick of the 2nd round, not the last. Furthermore, his slide was predicated on the fact that the teams above him did NOT need a QB.

The Chiefs NEED the most talented QB they can find and if it's Stafford or Sanchez, either will be the finest QB that the Chiefs have ever drafted in ANY round.

He was the last.

2nd round 32nd selection Drew Brees Purdue San Diego Chargers

Take a look at 2001
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...?type=position