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Old 01-22-2009, 11:09 AM   #1
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Put it this way nodody truly knows what the hell has transpired or was talked about between Clark, Scott and Herm. For all we know they're just moving forward with what they have and purging the roster of weak links i.e. Gun.
If your going to purge the rooster of weak links, Herm has to go....

6-26 says it all...
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:17 AM   #2
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If your going to purge the rooster of weak links, Herm has to go....

6-26 says it all...
How it is that all the Herm haters can put everything on him is beyond me

I truly think Carl had him handcuffed for all of his first year and most of his second. Clark bought into what Herm wanted to do and the mistakes via the draft and FA falls directly on the shoulders of Carl and Dick!

We all know it takes time to build a great football team and you can't do crap without depth at many key positions which was derailed by aging vets. Whatever happens, happens, but I think Herm got the short end of the stick on this one. I know I'm in the minority when it comes down to keeping Herm, but so be it!
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:21 AM   #3
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How it is that all the Herm haters can put everything on him is beyond me

I truly think Carl had him handcuffed for all of his first year and most of his second. Clark bought into what Herm wanted to do and the mistakes via the draft and FA falls directly on the shoulders of Carl and Dick!

We all know it takes time to build a great football team and you can't do crap without depth at many key positions which was derailed by aging vets. Whatever happens, happens, but I think Herm got the short end of the stick on this one. I know I'm in the minority when it comes down to keeping Herm, but so be it!
See the Dolphin and Falcons.

May not be 'great' ....but it didn't take them 2+ seasons to rebuild and become playoff bound...

...just sayin.
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:23 AM   #4
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See the Dolphin and Falcons.

May not be 'great' ....but it didn't take them 2+ seasons to rebuild and become playoff bound...

...just sayin.
I agree with these teams getting things turned around in a hurry, but think Herm's only had one to do what he's wanted to do since coming here.
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:29 AM   #5
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I agree with these teams getting things turned around in a hurry, but think Herm's only had one to do what he's wanted to do since coming here.
And he still did WORSE than other first year coaches. Herm is done and no we don't trust in him.
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:27 AM   #6
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See the Dolphin and Falcons.

May not be 'great' ....but it didn't take them 2+ seasons to rebuild and become playoff bound...

...just sayin.
I also believe John Fox took Carolina's 31 ranked defense and his first year had them ranked #1, and it took Marty and Wade Phillips one year to turn around a crap San Diego team and bottom feeding defense.

Herm's issue IMO is not in the theory of rebuilding a team with young guys, it is in the way he's gone about doing it...
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:31 AM   #7
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I also believe John Fox took Carolina's 31 ranked defense and his first year had them ranked #1, and it took Marty and Wade Phillips one year to turn around a crap San Diego team and bottom feeding defense.

Herm's issue IMO is not in the theory of rebuilding a team with young guys, it is in the way he's gone about doing it...
Agree 110% ....in the end, Herm just doesn't know HOW to rebuild. He only knows how to take an already established team and ride them into the ground.
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:23 AM   #8
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How it is that all the Herm haters can put everything on him is beyond me

I truly think Carl had him handcuffed for all of his first year and most of his second. Clark bought into what Herm wanted to do and the mistakes via the draft and FA falls directly on the shoulders of Carl and Dick!

We all know it takes time to build a great football team and you can't do crap without depth at many key positions which was derailed by aging vets. Whatever happens, happens, but I think Herm got the short end of the stick on this one. I know I'm in the minority when it comes down to keeping Herm, but so be it!
This isnt meant as a bashing, but what has Herm done in his entire career as an NFL head coach, that has you so convinced that he can do anything better than some, if not most, of the candidates out there? What traits does he possess that you think will/do make him a capable leader that can take a team from 2-14 to a championship within the next 2 seasons, which will likely require training and teaching a rookie QB for the NFL?
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:31 AM   #9
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This isnt meant as a bashing, but what has Herm done in his entire career as an NFL head coach, that has you so convinced that he can do anything better than some, if not most, of the candidates out there? What traits does he possess that you think will/do make him a capable leader that can take a team from 2-14 to a championship within the next 2 seasons, which will likely require training and teaching a rookie QB for the NFL?
If memory serves me right, Chad Pennington was a young impressionable QB when he took over the Jets and the best trait Herm has is that he is a great leader, the man has a niche for leading young and old. That's why he gets the label of a players coach. Name me one team that lost badly last year where the players were all in favor of their coach returning. One thing struck me by surprise when Tony G. came out in support for Herm in a big way and from what I understand about Tony is that he tells it like it truly is. Herm has the full support of his players and to me that's all that matters.
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:33 AM   #10
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If memory serves me right, Chad Pennington was a young impressionable QB when he took over the Jets and the best trait Herm has is that he is a great leader, the man has a niche for leading young and old. That's why he gets the label of a players coach. Name me one team that lost badly last year where the players were all in favor of their coach returning. One thing struck me by surprise when Tony G. came out in support for Herm in a big way and from what I understand about Tony is that he tells it like it truly is. Herm has the full support of his players and to me that's all that matters.
6-26. Having your players like you doesn't win football games. Herm blows. Deal with it
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If memory serves me right, Chad Pennington was a young impressionable QB when he took over the Jets and the best trait Herm has is that he is a great leader, the man has a niche for leading young and old. That's why he gets the label of a players coach. Name me one team that lost badly last year where the players were all in favor of their coach returning. One thing struck me by surprise when Tony G. came out in support for Herm in a big way and from what I understand about Tony is that he tells it like it truly is. Herm has the full support of his players and to me that's all that matters.
How the **** can you be a great leader when your team doesn't win games? The only leading that is, is leading them to the slaughter. Herm is a putz and his head coaching skills are awful. Good riddance to him and all his excuse-making supporters.
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How the **** can you be a great leader when your team doesn't win games? The only leading that is, is leading them to the slaughter. Herm is a putz and his head coaching skills are awful. Good riddance to him and all his excuse-making supporters.
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:52 AM   #13
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That's not passion, that's reerunation. Supporting a man who has SIX wins out of 32 games in the past two seasons is like supporting Charles Manson to run a daycare. He's not a good coach and I could give a **** if the players like the coach-it isn't up to them. I want WINS and Herm has a grand TOTAL of 15 wins as the Head Coach of the Chiefs. That's an average of 5 wins per season and you want him back? Sorry, but anybody that supports a losing record doesn't have the Chiefs best interest in mind, yourself included.
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Herm has the full support of his players and to me that's all that matters.
Apparently you don't realize that many of these same players whose "full support" Herm has (according to you) won't be with the Chiefs in 2009 after Pioli scrubs the roster clean.
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If memory serves me right, Chad Pennington was a young impressionable QB when he took over the Jets and the best trait Herm has is that he is a great leader, the man has a niche for leading young and old. That's why he gets the label of a players coach. Name me one team that lost badly last year where the players were all in favor of their coach returning. One thing struck me by surprise when Tony G. came out in support for Herm in a big way and from what I understand about Tony is that he tells it like it truly is. Herm has the full support of his players and to me that's all that matters.
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