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Old 02-10-2009, 11:50 PM  
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Texas busts taken in the top ten...
Someone posted a list of University of Texas players taken top 10, who all turned out to be busts. Anyone know where that was posted, or could refer me to a good source?
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:11 PM   #61
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Because I want to spend the #5 pick on a RB who cleared 1500 yards and 10 TDs once in his entire career and who has a career YPA of 4.0
Nobody's arguing that he's a good pick who lived up to his draft position...just that he's not a bust.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:12 PM   #62
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A player who fails to produce at the position he was drafted to play is a bust. End of story.

And expectations are even higher for top picks. They're expected not just to succeed, but play at a high level for years

If you draft a guy to play left tackle at 2 and he plays there for 10 years with a few pro bowls, you've gotten your money's worth. If the guy doesn't play at that level, but he's been your starter for a few years (think John Tait, but drafted #2 instead of 14), he's a disappointment, but he's at least produced at the position. If the guy you spent the number 2 pick on ends up at guard, he's a bust. Period.

Robert Gallery is not what you're looking for in the top 5.


Yes, I would call a player a disappointment that succeeds in a lesser position than for what he was drafted. But a bust to me is a player that isn't starting or is staring but clinging to his spot out of the league in a few years.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:13 PM   #63
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Once again, there were Longhorns prospects like Hampton that were certainly deserving of top 10 consideration, that didn't go there.
Casey Hampton wasn't even a 1st round pick so let's not start skewing shit here.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:13 PM   #64
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I don't recall him being a multiple pro bowler. He was an alternate one year that was moved to the active squad due to injury, IIRC.


Are you guys talking about the same Roy Williams?
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Yes, I would call a player a disappointment that succeeds in a lesser position than for what he was drafted. But a bust to me is a player that isn't starting or is staring but clinging to his spot out of the league in a few years.
A top 5 pick failing as a OT and then playing guard makes him a bum.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:14 PM   #66
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Casey Hampton wasn't even a 1st round pick so let's not start skewing shit here.
Hampton was, Rogers wasnt.
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If I'm spending a top-5 pick on a running back, I want LaDainian Tomlinson, not Ricky Williams. Regardless of where he falls on the all-time yardage list, nobody is ever going to include his name in any historical running back discussion. Unless it's a bust discussion.

Keep in mind that this is the guy for which the Saints traded away an entire draft, and they got 3000 yards out of him. Total.

That's a bust if there ever was one.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:15 PM   #68
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Once again, there were Longhorns prospects like Hampton that were certainly deserving of top 10 consideration, that didn't go there.
Billy Ray, thats not the point of this thread.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:16 PM   #69
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Yes, I would call a player a disappointment that succeeds in a lesser position than for what he was drafted. But a bust to me is a player that isn't starting or is staring but clinging to his spot out of the league in a few years.
That might be true for a player drafted in the middle or late rounds. We're not only talking first round picks, we're talking high first round picks. They're expected to produce at a high level.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:17 PM   #70
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A player who fails to produce at the position he was drafted to play is a bust. End of story.

And expectations are even higher for top picks. They're expected not just to succeed, but play at a high level for years

If you draft a guy to play left tackle at 2 and he plays there for 10 years with a few pro bowls, you've gotten your money's worth. If the guy doesn't play at that level, but he's been your starter for a few years (think John Tait, but drafted #2 instead of 14), he's a disappointment, but he's at least produced at the position. If the guy you spent the number 2 pick on ends up at guard, he's a bust. Period.

Robert Gallery is not what you're looking for in the top 5.
Clearly you don't understand the difference between a bust and a disappointment.

If you go out with a girl you've heard is slutty and only get a handjob afterwords, that's a disappointment. If she orders the most expensive thing on the menu and then leaves with Tony Gonzalez, that's a bust.
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Ok I confused him with the other fat guy from Texas....it happens.
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Old 02-11-2009, 09:22 PM   #72
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If I'm spending a top-5 pick on a running back, I want LaDainian Tomlinson, not Ricky Williams. Regardless of where he falls on the all-time yardage list, nobody is ever going to include his name in any historical running back discussion. Unless it's a bust discussion.

Keep in mind that this is the guy for which the Saints traded away an entire draft, and they got 3000 yards out of him. Total.

That's a bust if there ever was one.
That's not a bust. Ryan Leaf was a bust. Tony Mandarich was a bust. Todd Blackledge was a bust. Akili Smith was a bust. Cade McNown was a bust. Mike Williams was a bust.

A guy who will finish his career with 9,000 rushing yards and 60 touchdowns is not a bust.
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Nobody's arguing that he's a good pick who lived up to his draft position...just that he's not a bust.
Show me where I said he was a bust. What he is, is a goddamned disappointment.
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Clearly you don't understand the difference between a bust and a disappointment.
Left tackle is one of the most important (and expensive) positions on the roster. Teams do not spend premium draft picks and high-dollar rookie contracts on players thinking "gee, it'll be okay if he fails at LT, we can just plug him in at guard". Guard is a position filled by mid- to low-round players and journeyman free agents, the highest-paid of whom don't make as much as Jake Long did last year in his rookie contract. A player drafted to play left tackle who ends up at right tackle is a disappointment. A player drafted to play left tackle who ends up at guard or anywhere else is a bust.

I'm not going to waste any more of my time arguing with someone who can't grasp that simple truth.
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That's not a bust. Ryan Leaf was a bust. Tony Mandarich was a bust. Todd Blackledge was a bust. Akili Smith was a bust. Cade McNown was a bust. Mike Williams was a bust.

A guy who will finish his career with 9,000 rushing yards and 60 touchdowns is not a bust.
The Saints gave up the 12th pick, the 71st pick, the 107th pick, the 144th pick, the 179th pick and the 218th pick of the 1999 draft, AND the 2nd and 64th picks of the 2000 draft for Ricky Williams.

That's EIGHT picks for one player.

That's why he's not only a bust, he's one of the most monumental busts in NFL history. You can't even discuss him the same way you discuss other picks. Because a team traded their entire draft for him. You don't do that for a guy who gets suspended twice and spends a year playing in canada, a guy who only once in 9 years surpassed 1500 yards and/or 10 TDs.
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