Draft '09: The Quarterbacks

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why are you comparing Jake Long to players that play different positions to try to prove your point?

Ryan Clady and Branden Albert played just as well as Long did, if not better.

They were drafted #12, and #15 respectively.

Seeing as how there were comparable or better players available much later, it follows that Jake Long wasn't worth the #1 pick.

That makes no sense. Just because another team may have found a gem in the middle of the first (or later) who should have been ranked higher, doesn't mean your pick at #1 is any worse. If you got your franchise LT with the #1 pick, then he was worth it.

That's like saying you could have grabbed Kurt Warner as a free agent so your drafting of a Carson Palmer with the #1 pick wasn't worth it.

[melbar]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

That makes no sense. Just because another team may have found a gem in the middle of the first (or later) who should have been ranked higher, doesn't mean your pick at #1 is any worse. If you got your franchise LT with the #1 pick, then he was worth it.

That's like saying you could have grabbed Kurt Warner as a free agent so your drafting of a Carson Palmer with the #1 pick wasn't worth it.

Exactly. The argument was about whether Long was worthy of top 5 if he was available. Another part of our argument was whether Gholston was a better choice.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

That makes no sense. Just because another team may have found a gem in the middle of the first (or later) who should have been ranked higher, doesn't mean your pick at #1 is any worse. If you got your franchise LT with the #1 pick, then he was worth it.

That's like saying you could have grabbed Kurt Warner as a free agent so your drafting of a Carson Palmer with the #1 pick wasn't worth it.

Yeah, like my wife and I house hunting right now.

There are two houses we're looking at in the same neighborhood, that are almost identical.

One has an asking price of $300,000, and the other is listed at $255,000.

I'd be pretty ****ing stupid to pay $45,000 more for basically the same house.

Miami paid a shit-ton more for a guy that is no more talented than guys that went in the middle of the round.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, like my wife and I house hunting right now.

There are two houses we're looking at in the same neighborhood, that are almost identical.

One has an asking price of $300,000, and the other is listed at $255,000.

I'd be pretty ****ing stupid to pay $45,000 more for basically the same house.

Miami paid a shit-ton more for a guy that is no more talented than guys that went in the middle of the round.

In your scenario the only way a top draft pick is good is if the guy pans out and all others bust. If someone taken later emerges as a good pick then in your mind your pick isn't good anymore and you should have taken someone else. That is nonsensical.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

In your scenario the only way a top draft pick is good is if the guy pans out and all others bust. If someone taken later emerges as a good pick then in your mind your pick isn't good anymore and you should have taken someone else. That is nonsensical.

It has nothing to do with how they "pan out." It has to do with their potential as a prospect.

There were more questions raised about Jake Long as a prospect than there were about Clady. Some argued that Clady was the better prospect.

There were a TON of people here that noticed how little the difference in talent was between these guys.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It has nothing to do with how they "pan out." It has to do with their potential as a prospect.

There were more questions raised about Jake Long as a prospect than there were about Clady. Some argued that Clady was the better prospect.

There were a TON of people here that noticed how little the difference in talent was between these guys.

You are completely full of it. This board was full of people who despised Clady because everyone watched one game against Hawaii where he didn't look very good.

Just because a Jared Allen may emerge from day 2 of the draft doesn't mean that if you used a top 3 pick on a DE that ends up being a Pro Bowl player for many years, that you made a bad pick. If you draft the #1 ranked player at the #3 spot at a position for what most people would say is one of the 3 golden spots (QB, LOT, pass rusher) then you made a good pick. Just because somebody else ends up with a great value, doesn't mean you shouldn't have taken your player.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You are completely full of it. This board was full of people who despised Clady because everyone watched one game against Hawaii where he didn't look very good.

Just because a Jared Allen may emerge from day 2 of the draft doesn't mean that if you used a top 3 pick on a DE that ends up being a Pro Bowl player for many years, that you made a bad pick. If you draft the #1 ranked player at the #3 spot at a position for what most people would say is one of the 3 golden spots (QB, LOT, pass rusher) then you made a good pick. Just because somebody else ends up with a great value, doesn't mean you shouldn't have taken your player.

Again, you completely miss the point, or are purposely missing the point because you're the board's contrarian.

There were just as many, if not more people that despised Long because he was abused by Gholston. People thought he'd struggle with speed rushers, and that's still true - if you watched any Miami games they gave him help against speed guys.

This is how they were projected as pro's going in. Clady and Long were viewed equally in the eyes of many.

Anyway, I'm done arguing with you, because this is becoming a common occurrence for you. I'll wait until the next time you pop into a thread to remind us that Snachez will be a bust because Akili Smith was.

Should be within the hour, knowing you.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Again, you completely miss the point, or are purposely missing the point because you're the board's contrarian.

There were just as many, if not more people that despised Long because he was abused by Gholston. People thought he'd struggle with speed rushers, and that's still true - if you watched any Miami games they gave him help against speed guys.

This is how they were projected as pro's going in. Clady and Long were viewed equally in the eyes of many.

Anyway, I'm done arguing with you, because this is becoming a common occurrence for you. I'll wait until the next time you pop into a thread to remind us that Snachez will be a bust because Akili Smith was.

Should be within the hour, knowing you.

You asked for an example of a top pick with one year experience who busted. I gave you Smith and now you are all butt hurt over it.

Just because I question whether Sanchez should be a top 3 pick, doesn't mean I'm the board contrarian. I can't help it if the Sanchezites are being extremely hypocritical and closed minded when it comes to the discussion on any draft pick other than Sanchez. Goose step or you are an idiot has been the mantra in the Draft Planet the last month or so.