NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 12

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we already have a dominant LT

Puh-leeze. Dominant?
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Reerun_KC · 02-21-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Excellant post. This is exactly what I'm saying. Prepare to be attacked for it.

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So your wanting to cut Albert already?

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we already have a dominant LT

i would agree

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Excellant post. This is exactly what I'm saying. Prepare to be attacked for it.

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I have EVERY problem taking a linemen at 3rd overall. Why? Because you don't pay linemen that kind of bank. You don't pay CORNERS that kind of bank, unless you happen to be a an old, geriatric, brain-dead fossil like Alzheimers Davis.

But please, Professor Asshat; enlighten me in the error of my ways!

**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we already have a dominant LT

The pistol requires three.

We're two drafts away from starting to improve the left side of the line.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 09:12 PM

Why bother. Obviously the only point of view that will please the ass hole club here is that a quarterback must be the pick no matter who that quarterback is. Any dissension amongst the other 85 percent on this board will not be tolerated without moronic verbal assault. You would think by listening to you amatuers that a OT, a LB, or a WR had never been taken with a #3 pick in the NFL. This only shows complete ignorance and its just a good thing the professionals who actually are doing the drafting don't read or give a shit what morons such as yourself have to say.
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soundmind · 02-21-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Excellant post. This is exactly what I'm saying. Prepare to be attacked for it.

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I posted another thought in a different thread too...I'm getting more and more sold on Sanchez the more I find on him, but I can't say I'm completely comfortable with him either, there are obvious questions. But that's sort of a deducted thought process and not necessarily because he's the best player available, has to do more with dollars and need.

I'm in love with the idea of taking one of these badass centers with the 2nd round pick to help shore up some OL. However, again, that means we MUST address defense in FA if we are to compete at all this season, and I think we will.

Free Agency will change every thread on this website. I'm looking forward to it...just hoping Pioli has some ideas, and that we can land a couple keepers. Doesn't sound like Pioli is too worried about Cassel, I'd post a link but I can't, it's on PFT.

Some hopefuls:

FA (Ravens) Jason Brown, Bart Scott - I'll take em both, thank you.
FA (NYJ) Tony Richardson - Call it a homer, but he's the best FB I've ever seen.
FA (Bolts) Igor Olshansky - best 3-4 guy IMO that won't cost us a mint, he's a second contract guy, and 26 years old.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Why bother. Obviously the only point of view that will please the ass hole club here is that a quarterback must be the pick no matter who that quarterback is. Any dissension amongst the other 85 percent on this board will not be tolerated without moronic verbal assault. You would think by listening to you amatuers that a OT, a LB, or a WR had never been taken with a #3 pick in the NFL. This only shows complete ignorance and its just a good thing the professionals who actually doing the drafting don't read or give a shit what morons such as yourself has to say.
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Nice cop-out, you half a pussy-fart! Check your User CP for your reward!

**the Talking Can** · 02-21-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Puh-leeze. Dominant?
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abort yourself

ChiefsCountry · 02-21-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Why bother. Obviously the only point of view that will please the ass hole club here is that a quarterback must be the pick no matter who that quarterback is. Any dissension amongst the other 85 percent on this board will not be tolerated without moronic verbal assault. You would think by listening to you amatuers that a OT, a LB, or a WR had never been taken with a #3 pick in the NFL. This only shows complete ignorance and its just a good thing the professionals who actually are doing the drafting don't read or give a shit what morons such as yourself have to say.
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How many right tackles and coverage linebackers who dont rush the passer were taken #3 overall?

Deberg_1990 · 02-21-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

I have EVERY problem taking a linemen at 3rd overall. Why? Because you don't pay linemen that kind of bank. You don't pay CORNERS that kind of bank, unless you happen to be a an old, geriatric, brain-dead fossil like Alzheimers Davis.

But please, Professor Asshat; enlighten me in the error of my ways!

Actually, you can take LT's that high. Corners no.

Mecca · 02-21-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

How many right tackles and coverage linebackers who dont rush the passer were taken #3 overall?

I await this answer.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

So your wanting to cut Albert already?

When did I say cut Albert?
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soundmind · 02-21-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Actually, you can take LT's that high. Corners no.

Based on "basic drafting principles" of no real creed, I completely agree.

Top 5 CB though...I would've taken Bailey that high coming out.

Reerun_KC · 02-21-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

When did I say cut Albert?
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Then why draft a LT?

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Why bother. Obviously the only point of view that will please the ass hole club here is that a quarterback must be the pick no matter who that quarterback is. Any dissension amongst the other 85 percent on this board will not be tolerated without moronic verbal assault. You would think by listening to you amatuers that a OT, a LB, or a WR had never been taken with a #3 pick in the NFL. This only shows complete ignorance and its just a good thing the professionals who actually are doing the drafting don't read or give a shit what morons such as yourself have to say. Posted via Mobile Device
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